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Subject: Re: Klaus Florian Vogt
From: RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:51:44 -0400
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"I've often wondered why I'm still here myself, being, as I so frequently am, out of step with the majority of you fine people." 

Maybe it's because (quoting the mother watching the battalion marching by) "Everybody's out of step but my Johnny."

Cheers and Best.
Ray

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> On August 12, 2018 at 7:08 PM "G. Paul Padillo" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ah, so you're saying it's not a two-way street then?  I've always found it curious 
> that one may say whatever one wants, but it suddenly becomes "offensive" 
> whenever someone challenges or disagrees.  I've always seen the list as a forum 
> to challenge differing opinions, to debate (even passionately, it is OPERA after all) 
> and, I can't count the number of times someone has changed my opinion on a 
> singer, composer, opera, director or myriad other things I disagreed with and/or 
> was ignorant about.  The thing that drives me bonkers with so many on this list is 
> an inability to be flexible, to be vulnerable, as though there is some shame 
> attached to being wrong, or with the possibility of being enlightened by a differing 
> point of view.   
> 
> I think I may not have been clear regarding "limited exposure," although 50 years 
> of listening does not in and of itself guarantee looking at things with an open 
> mind.  My use of the term had to do with limited exposure to the singer in 
> question, and making up one's mind on that exposure without offering any other 
> reason to support or back up that decision.  No, that backing up is not required, 
> but I was merely stating that by not doing so, the opinion means nothing to me.  
> That's on me. 
> 
> As for your opinion  that I am "out of place," you're hardly the first person in my 
> 23+ years on this list to state this, and quite honestly, I've often wondered why 
> I'm still here myself, being, as I so frequently am, out of step with the majority of 
> you fine people.  
> 
> As to the singer at hand, go on with your dislike (or however you wish to label it), 
> I was merely trying to answer YOUR original question as to how this "comprimario 
> gets contracts to sing" . . . and you didn't like the answer. 
> 
> p.
> 
> 
> * *  * * * * *
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> "Being all things operatic strictly subjective as they are, I find Mr.
> Padillo’s comments about belittling and denigrating Mr. Vogt’s voice rather
> peculiar. To question someone’s so-called prejudiced mind for 
> expressinganopinion is completely out of place, if not offensive. As it is, that's 
> what this forum is for, right? To express *subjective* opinions about opera.
> Furthermore, I don’t think that someone with 50+ years of exposure to
> opera, either through recordings or attending operatic performances, like
> this writer, can be accused of “limited exposure.� As for the reviews of
> Mr. Vogt’s performances, it’s been a long time that I’ve ceased to read
> operatic reviews. Too much sugar and too little impartiality.
> 
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