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Subject: Fwd: Plot failures (was perfect operas)
From: Stephen Charitan <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Stephen Charitan <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Fri, 10 Aug 2018 18:42:10 -0400
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On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Stephen Charitan <[log in to unmask]>
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> But you are trying to work it into a cohesive whole which is not the
> point...The point is she is giving her life for the man she loves and that
> is what inspired Verdi and why the death scene is so moving...
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:15 PM, Daniel Boyarin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I too can work out the plot and it holds together in a melodramatic was
>> that is fine (doesn't have to be realistic!) but Leonore's suicide is still
>> baffling as it exactly achieves the opposite of what she was trying to do.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> Jedenfalls aber ist unsere philologische Heimat die Erde; die Nation kann
>> es nicht mehr sein.
>>
>> (Our philological home is the earth. It can no longer be the nation.)
>>
>> ERICH AUERBACH, *Philology and Weltliteratur *(1952)
>>
>>
>> "A government that is strong because it is free, and confident because it
>> is just, has nothing to fear in granting refuge to exiles."
>>
>> Alexander von Humboldt
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Stephen Charitan <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Idia,
>>>
>>> I don't disagree...there may be too many coincidences for it to make
>>> sense
>>> as a cohesive whole, but in terms of the power of its isolated scenes I
>>> can
>>> see why Verdi was attracted to it - why it inspired some of his most
>>> stirring music and why it continues to hold the stage.  If you boil it
>>> down
>>> to essentials it's powerful stuff:
>>>
>>> -The pre-opera relationship between Azucena and her Mother is vividly
>>> recalled in musical flashbacks...
>>>
>>> -The conflict between Azucena's mistaken murder of her own child and the
>>> parentage of the child that did survive...
>>>
>>> -Leonora's fascination with a mysterious and melodious "Troubadour" -
>>> someone outside (but really inside) her aristocratic circle
>>>
>>> -Manrico's curious heritage - A Gypsy's "son" or someone else?
>>>
>>> -Di Luna's frustration as a nobleman being bested in Leonora's affections
>>> by said "Gypsy's son" who is actually his brother
>>>
>>> -Manrico's filial loyalty to a woman who is not his mother
>>>
>>> I wouldn't change a word or a note...
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Idia Legray <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Frankly, I could make a case and find a very logical reason why that
>>> wrong
>>> > baby was dropped in the fire.  Azucena, at this point, was completely
>>> > deranged having to watch her mother at the pyre.  No wonder she didn't
>>> > know what she was doing.  Who can blame her?
>>> > I'm probably alone but I actually thought Trovatore was an opera that
>>> > made sense.
>>> >
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