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Subject: Re: 2008 film of la boheme - question
From: Tom Frey <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Wed, 8 Aug 2018 19:09:18 -0400
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What we deal with here, are opinions and opinions only. Not decrees. If someone feels that  an opera that I find "perfect", is not perfect, that is their opinion and not dogma. Some people love licorice and others can"t stand it. So don't try to eat it and you don't need me to tell you that
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Goldberg <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:44:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 2008 film of la boheme - question

But this is where Mr. Kane has a really important point on "perfect" vs. "favorite," Much as 
I love the score to Puritani, I could never consider it anywhere close to a perfect opera, 
because *dramatically* it not only makes very little sense, but it's so very dramatically 
inert. But it's glorious music, yes. (And very difficult music to sing, which thrills us even 
more when it's sung well.) Which, I suppose could make it a candidate for a "perfect" 
concert piece. ;-)

The other operas Mr. Frey mentions, "perfect" or not, have plenty to offer both in terms of 
music AND drama. I do think that any candidate for a "perfect" opera needs a lot of both. 



On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 16:44:22 -0400, Tom Frey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>My list of perfect operas begins with: Magic Flute, Masked Ball, I Puritani, Ariadne auf 
Naxos, and La Boheme. There are many others that one could add. Although I've sung in 
the chorus at Parsifal, Lohengrin and Tristan and appreciate the grandeur of Wagner, I am 
drawn mostly to Bel Canto
>----- Original Message -----
>From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 13:21:23 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: 2008 film of la boheme - question
>
>I think this sets the bar too high; there are dozens of operas as
>good as those two, and some, by Verdi himself, are going to be
>considered superior by many people:  DON CARLO, AIDA, LA
>TRAVIATA, or LA FORZA DEL DESTINO, for example..  It is
>my opinion that ANDREA CHENIER is as "perfect" as an opera
>can be, and that it is almost impossible to single out just one or
>two out of the twenty masterpieces by Wagner and Puccini. The
>whole thing becomes yet another list of  "favorites"
>
>dtmk
>
>On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 1:03 AM, Isaac Alan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I am right with you, but for me, Rigoletto and Otello would also be
>> included
>> ________________________________
>> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]>
>> on behalf of James Bodge <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 9:25:56 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: 2008 film of la boheme - question
>>
>> On 8/7/2018 4:27 PM, Bob Rideout wrote:
>> > I'm with you 100%.  There are three, arguably four, operas whose
>> > every note and every word approach perfection - Boheme, Nozze di
>> > Figaro and Falstaff. The fourth is Meistrsinger, though when performed
>> > complete, especially David's role, I find unnecessary, to put it nicely.
>> >
>> > In any case, those two notes strike me as a perfect accent within a
>> > perfect act, within a pretty perect opera. I cannot imagine why anyone
>> > woukd omit that moment.
>> >
>> > But then, I'm sure there are those who can't get enough of David in
>> > Meistersinger. ;-)
>> >
>>
>> And Jim Bodge replied"You betcha!!  Wouldn't cut David one bit.  As for
>>   perfect operas, your list is almost perfection.  Just add TRISTAN.
>>
>> Jim Bodge
>>
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