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Subject: Those Russians!
From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Tue, 10 Jul 2018 22:09:26 -0400
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What you're talking about here sounds like the contents of an lp I have by
Doloukhanova;  I don't think Slobodskaya recorded the same program, but
I wish I  still had the lp that contained her PETER AND THE WOLF.

I also wish this subject line had been changed sooner.

dtmk

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Russ Geschke <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Now this is the real thing.  Magnificent, despite the relatively minor
> signs of the inroads of time.  YouTube has a number of restricted- or
> no-release recordings by Slobodskaya of music by Medtner, Prokofiev,
> Mussorgsky, Chopin, Ippolitov-Ivanov, etc., recorded mostly between 1947
> and 1961.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "daaaac" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Vishnevskaya
>
>
>
> Oops - I forgot the link:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-yDOzD1pQ4 <https://www.youtube.com/watch
> ?v=I-yDOzD1pQ4>
>
> Oda Solbodskaya (age 73)
> Frederick Stone, piano
> Rachmaninoff: In the silence of the night
> BBC studio recital
> October 22, 1961
>
> On Jul 10, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Russ Geschke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Re Felia Litvinne (1860/1863-1936):  There was on YouTube a 20-minute
>> excerpt (now gone) of a 1963 French television interview with Germaine
>> Lubin in which after praising Flagstad as having a "voix incomparable" in
>> response to the question "Whose was the greatest voice you ever heard?"
>> immediately answered "Felia Litvinne."  Litvinne had a huge international
>> career, and was also one of the teachers of Lubin as well as Nina Koshetz.
>> Marston Records issued several years ago a CD set of all of Litvinne's
>> records --  Wagner, Meyerbeer, Saint-Saens, Verdi, Donizetti, Faure,
>> Gounod, Napravnik, Rubinstein, you get the idea, the lady was versatile. To
>> continue the list of important historic Russian singers, one could also add
>> Koshetz, Maria Kuznetsova, and Oda Slobodskaya; there are many more, as you
>> indicated.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Camner" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 12:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: Vishnevskaya
>>
>>
>> Chaliapin was the dominant singer of his time even more famous world wide
>>> than Caruso, a huge force. We have no singers today who can compare to
>>> him
>>> in any way except for Netrebko, but in a far lesser sense..
>>>
>>> Vishnevskaya, a wonderful singer was never the top soprano in her time,
>>> undoubtedly that was Callas.
>>>
>>> There are surely many more important Russian sopranos, historically, than
>>> Vishnevskaya, let's start with Medea Mei Figner (an Italian who became a
>>> Russian colossus), Felia Litvinne, and probably the most important of
>>> all,
>>> Antonina Nezhdanova.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Nxl-bMW9U
>>>
>>> (From my days of selling autographs, I never had anyone ask for one of
>>> Vishnevskaya, though her husband Rostropovich was a brisk seller.)
>>>
>>> Netrebko stands alone in this era, she has no rivals as a star, she's far
>>> more famous than Vishnevskaya was, in that way she's like Chaliapin, but
>>> on
>>> a much smaller stage, opera singers are no longer the world's premiere
>>> entertainment stars as they were in Chaliapin's day, they barely register
>>> in today's cultural zeitgeist and I doubt any of them including Netrebko
>>> have an income to compare to the top pop singers. Like Chaliapin,
>>> Netrebko's talents are less vocal than dramatic.  It's fair to ask if
>>> Netrebko is the last international opera star. I believe she might prove
>>> to
>>> be so, but one never knows what's around the corner and already sitting
>>> here on the West Coast, I feel out of it a bit. But happily so!
>>>
>>> Regarding Russian singers, there are some expert members of this list who
>>> really know this subject much better than me!
>>>
>>> James Camner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:55 AM, David Shengold <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Galina Vishnevskaya was the most important and in my opinion (only), the
>>>> greatest Russian singer of the twentieth century.  The range was
>>>> immense,
>>>> her qualities as an opera singer and as a singer of songs was unrivaled,
>>>> and before hardness set in, the voice was so truly beautiful. etc"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agree with most all of whet you and others have writen about
>>>> Vishnevskaya
>>>> and her historical qualities vis a vis those of Netrebko, an excellent
>>>> vocalist and increasingy exciting singing acrtess who - unlike
>>>> Vishnevskaya-- has created no important music nor left no definite
>>>> recordings of anything.
>>>>
>>>> I would remind everyone that besides the Moscow studio Verdi REQUIEM
>>>> there
>>>> is a live Leningrad Philharmonic performance  from 1960 under
>>>> Melik-Pashaev
>>>> with the staggering Irina Arkhipova instead of Nina Isakova as well as
>>>> Vladimir Ivanovsky and Ivan Petrov ( who are on the Muscovite
>>>> performance
>>>> as well). I like both, but the live one better ( n.b. Ivanovsky, though
>>>> a
>>>> fine recorded Grigori/Dmitri, is not remotely in the
>>>> Bjoerling/Bergonzi/Pavarotti class in this music).
>>>>
>>>> And still: "the greatest Russian singer of the twentieth century"? If
>>>> you
>>>> said 'female singer" I might agree, but what about Chaliapin? A total
>>>> game
>>>> changer for the art form in terms of vocalism and dramatic artistry who
>>>> left his mark on many roles-- not only Russian ones--left a studio movie
>>>> (Pabst's unforgettable DON QUIXOTE) and created much music ( including
>>>> Ibert's songs for that movie, Massenet's DON QUICHOTTE, Rachmaninoff's
>>>> cantata "Spring", Salieri in Rimsky's MOZART AND SALIERI.
>>>> Internationally,
>>>> Chaliapin's name and reputation were familiar to tens of thousands who
>>>> never set foot inside an opera house or concert hall, as with Caruso or
>>>> the
>>>> Greek-American diva whose vocal perfection vis a vis her "Coca-Cola"
>>>> rivals
>>>> Takis has done so much here to  underline.
>>>>
>>>> -David Shengold
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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