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Subject: Re: the nilsson live set on sony classical (Re: Solti Tristan (Re: Audiophile opera reissues))
From: Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Fri, 8 Jun 2018 11:49:43 -0500
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WOW!!!!

       I just looked at the contents of the live recordings and it's a MASSIVE Nilsson treasure trove.  What a legacy in sound SHE left.  Unbelievable!   I can't think of ANY

> On June 8, 2018 at 9:42 AM ls111553 wrote:
> 
> 
>     Thanks Mike. I was asking about the Blu-ray audio edition of the
>     Solti-Uhl-Nilsson Tristan. I have sent for it, with or without rehearsal.
>     No, I wouldn’t pay $200 just to have Solti’s performance as Isolde
>     inmortalized on CD. In fact, there would be so much repetition with the
>     Nilsson material I already have, that I will probably pass on the
>     collection.
>     However, Solti doing the three Brünnhildes... I would consider...
> 
>     On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:52 PM Mike Leone wrote:
> 
>         > > FWIW, the rehearsal disc is included in the Nilsson brick, although I
> >         can't imagine somebody paying the $200+ that that set costs just to get the
> >         rehearsal disc which only lasts about half an hour and yes does include the
> >         excerpt of Solti singing Isolde. Also FWIW, the Nilsson live set to be
> >         issued by Sony in September is going to include three of her performances
> >         of Isolde (Bayreuth 1957, Vienna 1967, and Orange 1973). Here is a link to
> >         a website that gives all of the contents of that set which I am much
> >         anticipating:
> > 
> >         Birgit Nilsson – The Great Live Recordings
> > 
> > 
> >         Mike Leone
> > 
> >         [log in to unmask] mailto:[log in to unmask]
> >         Ecco il Leone!
> > 
> > 
> >         Birgit Nilsson – The Great Live Recordings
> > 
> >         Celebrating the “voice of a century” with a specially remastered edition
> >         of her great live performances
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         On ‎Thursday‎, ‎June‎ ‎07‎, ‎2018‎ ‎09‎:‎14‎:‎54‎ ‎PM, ls111553 <
> >         [log in to unmask] mailto:[log in to unmask] > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >         This is the one Wagner item of which I have the London LP set and strangely
> >         (for me), never got the CD edition. Haven’t played it in ages, but I don’t
> >         remember anything terribly wrong with Uhl’s Tristan. Actually, I don’t
> >         remember much about him, so the Blu Ray will be a refresher. But I can’t
> >         forget Solti singing Isolde on the rehearsal excerpts. Are they included on
> >         the Blu Ray?
> > 
> >         On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 5:44 PM Maxwell Paley wrote:
> > 
> >             > > > The Decca Solti “Tristan” is absolutely not abysmal. In its Blu-Ray Audio
> > >             format, we get even more beauty from Nilsson with more subtlety of nuance
> > >             but also the dynamic range to feel the impact of her shining upper notes.
> > >             She is in spectacular voice on this recording. The extra detail and
> > > 
> > >         > > nuance
> > 
> >             > > > present her as more dramatically involved and varied here than has been
> > >             reported.
> > > 
> > >             There are cavils: Fritz Uhl (massively helped by the engineering) is
> > >             neither inaudible nor ugly, but has nowhere near the presence to be an
> > >             adequate partner to this Isolde. Solti doesn’t have the grandeur and
> > >             majesty of Furtwängler or Knappertsbusch but I find him far more
> > > 
> > >         > > effective
> > 
> >             > > > in terms of power and dramatic force than Böhm and the playing of the
> > >             particular Bayreuth group on his DGG recording (also on blu-ray) can’t
> > >             compare to the magnificent playing of the Vienna Philharmonic for Solti.
> > > 
> > >         > > In
> > 
> >             > > > the studio (similar to Karajan’s Berlin Philharmonic) the horns and brass
> > >             can let loose thrillingly in the Prelude, as they could not do if they
> > > 
> > >         > > were
> > 
> >             > > > going to have to keep playing for another four hours.
> > > 
> > >             On my system, I really never hear the voices submerged, but Resnick is
> > > 
> > >         > > too
> > 
> >             > > > far in the distance for her “Einsam wachend in der Nacht.” The mono
> > >             Furtwängler got this just right. On the other hand, I love the sound of
> > > 
> > >         > > the
> > 
> >             > > > (again, thrilling) hunting horns gradually receding.
> > > 
> > >             Speaking of Resnick, the opening up of the sound on the blu-ray makes a
> > >             stronger case for her. She wasn’t in best form but there was still a
> > > 
> > >         > > wealth
> > 
> >             > > > of luxuriant sound that is better heard as such.
> > > 
> > >             Max Paley
> > > 
> > >             Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > On Jun 7, 2018, at 13:07, Mike Leone wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >                 Hello all--
> > > >                 I think it was on here that I found the link to a series of reviews in
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > Fanfare of these del Monaco recordings, and they appear to be quite
> > > 
> > >         > > genuine
> > 
> >             > > > and audiophile. Somebody reported this morning that he was able to
> > >             purchase three of the four volumes of complete operas, but not the volume
> > >             of mono operas, nor the volume of recitals. By the time I read this
> > >             thread, only volume two of the complete operas was still available. I
> > >             rushed to order it and must have gotten one of the last copies or the
> > > 
> > >         > > last
> > 
> >             > > > copy. Now doing a search on amarazrecords.com for "analog operas," as
> > >             suggested on here, comes back with "no se encontraron resultados" (no
> > >             results found), but before it brought up photos of all five volumes with
> > >             the other four having the description "no disponible" (not available).
> > > 
> > >         > > I'm
> > 
> >             > > > hoping this means that the volumes are just temporarily out of stock and
> > >             will be back. These recordings just came out last year and after all the
> > >             trouble the company went to to produce these sets, it seems odd that they
> > >             would let them go out of print so quickly; evidently at least three of
> > > 
> > >         > > the
> > 
> >             > > > volumes were still available as of earlier this morning. So for the
> > > 
> > >         > > moment
> > 
> >             > > > I'll have to console myself with just volume two as well as the wonderful
> > >             Blu-ray Abbado Barbiere, far and away my favorite recording of that
> > > 
> > >         > > opera,
> > 
> >             > > > which I ordered from amazon a little while ago.
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > I have played part of the way through the Nilsson brick which arrived a
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > few days ago. Decca boldly began it with the much-maligned Solti Tristan
> > >             which I found very enjoyable and great company in the car on a
> > >             long-distance trip. I never have understood how Solti could be so right
> > >             for the Ring, an opinion which many on here have recently affirmed, and
> > > 
> > >         > > so
> > 
> >             > > > wrong for Tristan. My only real complaint about the recording is that
> > >             occasionally the orchestra drowns out the singers. I don't find Mr. Uhl
> > > 
> > >         > > as
> > 
> >             > > > objectionable as some do; Ms. Resnik doesn't make as great of an
> > > 
> > >         > > impression
> > 
> >             > > > as might be expected, but, according to Culshaw in his autobiography, she
> > >             was ill for at least some of the sessions. The reviews of the recording
> > > 
> > >         > > in
> > 
> >             > > > High Fidelity and the Gramophone at the time the recording came out were
> > >             glowing (the Met book of reviews of recordings says that when the Tristan
> > >             came out, it was met with "limited acclaim," which I don't think was
> > > 
> > >         > > quite
> > 
> >             > > > the case), and it was only later that the received opinion began to
> > >             proclaim that the recording was abysmal. After hearing the Solti Tristan
> > >             once more, I think it is probably time for a re-evaluation of it; hell,
> > >             even the Moffo Thaïs got a second chance...
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > Mike Leone
> > > >                 [log in to unmask] mailto:[log in to unmask] il Leone!
> > > > 
> > > >                 On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎06‎, ‎2018‎ ‎01‎:‎47‎:‎02‎ ‎PM, David Coco <
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > [log in to unmask] mailto:[log in to unmask] > wrote:
> > >             >
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > When i looked at these releases on line, they made me suspicious also.
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > It looks to me like some local company has just transferred existing
> > >             remasters to DVD to get more music on one disc. I would be very surprised
> > >             if there was anything “audiophile” about them.
> > >             >
> > > 
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