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Subject: Re: Renee Fleming - Broadway album
From: Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sun, 10 Jun 2018 14:42:56 -0400
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Or, to put it a little differently, I'd be a very happy man, had I been
able to
create 10% of his enormous legacy. Nothing succeeds like success!

Bob

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 14:31 tom ponti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> IMO, had he only wrtten the lyrics for Show Boat, Hammerstein would have
> been a great song writer. No one is perfect, but to imply he was less than
> one of the very greatest, is absurd.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]>
> on behalf of Rich Lowenthal <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 1:51 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OPERA-L] Renee Fleming - Broadway album
>
> Well, what shows from that era do still have a life? Rodgers and Hart,
> the Gershwins, Kern, Irving Berlin, Cole Porter--their pre-war work is
> remembered mostly in individual songs and film scores. How many people
> can name what musicals premiered "Begin the Beguine" or "Someone to
> Watch Over Me"? (Jubilee and Oh, Kay, respectively). The shows that have
> survived are the rare strong book musicals--Showboat, Of Thee I Sing,
> the Boys from Syracuse--and of course Oklahoma and beyond.
>
> By the way, by most objective standards, "All the Things You Are" is a
> terrific song, and musically inventive and challenging for the singer.
> It's been a popular jazz standard because of it's strong melody and
> interesting chord changes.
>
> As far as Hammerstein, I've always found his lyrics the weakest aspect
> of his musical theater contributions--serviceable, but never the reason
> to remember a show. I think his work as producer, creator and book
> writer were far more important.
>
> Rich
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Jon Goldberg" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: 6/10/2018 1:15:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Renee Fleming - Broadway album
>
> >Funny - Roberta hasn't had any significant life beyond its initial run
> >either. Nor have any
> >other Kern shows except Show Boat. But his songs live on, in an era
> >where that was the
> >point - the shows were generally much less important as an entity than
> >the songs were.
> >And yes indeed, such wonderful songs they were.
> >
> >As for Hammerstein - well yes, as much as I admire his writing, he does
> >tend to veer into
> >preciousness at times, especially with odd allusions to nature. I'm
> >still not sure where he
> >got the image of "a lark who is learning to pray" (except, of course,
> >for the fact that the
> >line is sung by a novitiate nun), or when hunky Lieutenant Cable, head
> >over heels in lust,
> >compares his strong arms to "a pair of birds that burst with song."
> >
> >One attribute of Hammerstein I love is when he gets dark or cynical -
> >songs like "Lonely
> >Room" or "The Gentleman Is A Dope" or "The Next Time It Happens," where
> >his
> >characters unavoidably reveal their vulnerabilities through their pain.
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 10:33:01 -0400, donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Yes, the fact that it is Audio alone obviates every reference to
> >>visual
> >>antics,
> >>yours as well as mine.  I have never succumbed to the purported
> >>wonders
> >>of "All The Things You Are".  It may have been the highlight of the
> >>show,
> >>but
> >>of a show that seems to have had no life beyond the length of its
> >>original
> >>run.  The tune has a way of turning on people who normally have little
> >>use
> >>for popular music (I don't know what that says, but it says
> >>something), and
> >>the lyrics are Oscar on one of his rare pseudo-Wordworthian off days.
> >>I'd
> >>rather hear Renee Fleming sing any one, or all of the five great songs
> >>that
> >>Kern wrote for ROBERTA.:  The Touch of Your Hand, You're Devastating,
> >>Yesterdays, Lovely To Look At, and Smoke Gets In Your Eyes.
> >>
> >>dtmk-------------------
>
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