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Subject: Re: the real final night at the old Met 1966
From: Paul Ferraro <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Paul Ferraro <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sat, 9 Jun 2018 11:33:56 -0400
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A generous offer indeed.  BUT was your alfalfa genetically engineered so 
as to be resistant to the huffing & puffing of the Big Bad Wolf?

DonP.


On 6/9/2018 11:22 AM, Don wrote:
> I  have a section of alfalfa here in New Mexico and I'd have been more than
> happy to have contributed 100,000 bales of hay for the new house.
> DonD
>
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 9:15 AM donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> A lot of people seem to have "read something somewhere"   Having been
>> an active member of the committee that was organized in 1966 to prevent
>> the destruction of the old house, I can assure them that no one on either
>> sidr
>> of the controversy seriously questioned the structural integrity of the
>> building.
>> Those who wanted it preserved were fully aware of its deficiencies and need
>> for renovation; those who wanted it gone feared, among other things, that
>> it
>> might still be put to competitive use as a theatre.
>>
>> dtmk
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Paul Ferraro <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I recall reading some architect's conjecture that the straw construction
>>> contributed to the excellent acoustics of the old barn.  Can you imagine
>> if
>>> this were taken seriously & the builders of the new barn rushing to buy
>> up
>>> bales of the stuff for inclusion in the new theater's roof?;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> *Paolo*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/9/2018 6:12 AM, Bob Rideout wrote:
>>>
>>>> Donald
>>>>
>>>> There was a very heavy layer of straw between the ceiling we saw
>>>> in the theater and the actual roof that faced the sky. Now, I can
>>>> only report on that which was published at the time. It goes like
>>>> this - leaks in the roof had caused the straw to become saturated,
>>>> increasing the weight to the point that the ceiling was in imminent
>>>> danger of collapse, which might have resulted in the deaths of
>>>> hundreds of people. Or so it was reported and I have no reason
>>>> to question it.
>>>>
>>>> That was just one structural disaster waiting to happen.
>>>>
>>>> And then there's the question of money. "When you wish upon a
>>>> star!".
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 20:30 donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You must have been reading fiction.  There were no "supporting pillars",
>>>>> the
>>>>> basic structure of the building was a five story horseshoe of three
>> foot
>>>>> thick
>>>>> solid masonry.  I was able to observe the demolition day by day for the
>>>>> very
>>>>> long months it took; it was no tumble down shack..  All roofs, that
>> many
>>>>> years
>>>>> ago, would have been necessarily constructed of light weight material,
>>>>> meaning
>>>>> wood, which would have to be replaced, but to admit that now, does not
>>>>> justify,
>>>>> in retrospect, any such visions of calamity as I have seen today.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with the Donald (Levine), who has posted a level-headed and
>>>>> informed
>>>>> assessment of how the situation might have or could have been resolved.
>>>>> It
>>>>> is
>>>>> not necessarily the case that the Old Met had to go in order for the
>> new
>>>>> one
>>>>> to thrive.  In my opinion, it was a mistake to try to make the new
>> opera
>>>>> house
>>>>> bigger and grander than the old, instead, something more modern, less
>>>>> expensive,
>>>>> and adaptable to smaller, as well as to innovative productions should
>>>>> have
>>>>> been
>>>>> considered, with the older venue reserved for traditional staging.  New
>>>>> York is a
>>>>> much bigger city than so many in Europe that have always found room for
>>>>> more
>>>>> a single opera house.
>>>>>
>>>>> dtmk.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 4:41 PM, R Stuart <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I read somewhere that when they razed the old house, it was discovered
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> many large supporting pillars that should have been solid were instead
>>>>>> loosely filled with rubble. The place was in a state such that it
>> could
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> collapsed at any time , and was more likely to do so when the house
>> was
>>>>>> full.
>>>>>> I don't know if, even now, it would be possible to repair that kind of
>>>>>> structural
>>>>>> defect.
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