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Subject: Re: AAP reports restoration soon Met says of Levine broadcasts to Sirius
From: GABRIEL STELIAN <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:GABRIEL STELIAN <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Tue, 15 May 2018 14:49:06 -0400
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Wagner? Thielemann, then a big vacuum, then everyone else.

Gabe Stelian

> On May 15, 2018, at 1:49 PM, donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> If there's ever been an actual sweetie among great conductors; I
> don't know who it was.  When players say they love one, I think
> it's because of the unusual respect they have for the man's integrity
> as a musician, as was the case with Toscanini whose verbal abuse
> during rehearsals is well documented.  Equally well documented
> were Stokowski's, where exaggerated courtesy mingled with biting
> sarcasm.
> 
> dtmk
> 
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:12 PM, John Hebel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> At least spell his name correctly: Thielemann.
>> 
>> I suppose Karajan was a sweetie.
>> 
>> Barenboim is a genius, especially in Wagner.   I thought a recent Lohengrin
>> was revelatory.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> There are numerous articles on Google and other sites, from newspapers
>>> as reputable as "The Guardian", that do chapter and verse of his "right-
>>> wing"
>>> politics, and his insistence on total control of personnel decisions,
>> some
>>> of which have been seen as anti-semitic. He has had very troubled
>>> relationships with Munich, Berlin and other symphonic and operatic
>>> managements, and at least one has cancelled his contract before its end
>>> over personality issues (defined as ultra conservative political views
>> that
>>> have been manifested in various ways during his tenures).
>>> 
>>> I do not know how true thes stories are, but they seem to be broadly
>>> supported by large numbers in the music community.
>>> 
>>> I hear his music making as quite extraordinary, but make no excuses for
>>> his political views. They can be conflated, but I don't know enough to do
>>> that yet. He is a great conductor; he may be much less as a man!
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 16:03 tom ponti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In what way is Theilmann a "Hitler" of the podium? Using the H name can
>>> be
>>>> troublesome, especially when describing someone.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <
>> [log in to unmask]
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>>>> on behalf of Don <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 3:48 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [OPERA-L] AAP reports restoration soon Met says of Levine
>>>> broadcasts to Sirius
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry but I think Barenboim is a hack and while I like Theilmann's
>>>> performances, he's the Hitler of the podium
>>>> DonD
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:23 PM Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> That makes two of us!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 14:19 David Kubiak <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What has been interesting to me is to hear other conductors' Wagner
>>>>>> performances, notably Barenboim and Thielemann, who in my view
>>> achieve
>>>> a
>>>>>> profundity of music-making that was always beyond Levine's grasp
>> with
>>>> the
>>>>>> virtuoso orchestra he created.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Kubiak
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