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Subject: Re: A Transgender Don Giovanni
From: "ls111553 ." <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:ls111553 .
Date:Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:01:08 -0400

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Will you please cut the “Sir or Madame” silliness. In my case is Sir, Mr.,
Señor or, as I prefer, no title. Luis will do, thank you.

I am firmly convinced that Tulsa Opera’s publicity campaign for the Don
Giovanni, seemingly based on the lead singer’s gender identity, is cheap,
sensationalistic and just plain wrong. I don’t care in how many languages
it is being cheered by the press, which doesn’t surprise me at all. If the
article can be trusted, the company is pretty much admitting that they
hired this person mostly in order to make “opera history” (a.k.a.
headlines), talent coming in as a second consideration:

“Her performance, which debuts in May 2019, will be the first time a trans
person has performed a principal role on an operatic stage in the U.S.,
according to Tulsa Opera's leadership.”

This even goes against the singer’s stated wishes:

“In one way, this is exciting. But in another way, I hope it’s not too
exciting. I just want to keep doing my job in how I’ve always done it…
People don’t really care about if people are gay in most of the Western
world, and I hope being trans is something like that as well”

That’s why I believe Tulsa Opera is seeking notoriety for the wrong reason.
If they hire singers because of their talent and suitability for the parts
they will play, their personal situations should neither be part of their
publicity nor there should be an effort to cover them up. The public will
eventually know and reach their own conclusions. They don’t need to be
“steered”. The closing statement, by the company’s CEO should have been the
company’s only answer to the press on this subject, but it comes after
everyone’s interest has been intentionally captured by the transgender
"If you have the talent, you need to be heard, and you need to be

I really don’t care if 300 years ago, audiences were flocking to the opera
just to hear how a castrated man could reach very high notes because of his
mutilation. This practice represents a dark and horrifying period in the
history of the art and no one in his right mind should point to it as a
"celebration of “diversity” or whatever. This was a freak show attitude
which, sadly, today’s attempt to “attract younger audiences” seems to

Furthermore, your knee-jerk attack against anyone who disagrees with your
carved-in-stone set of “progressive” regulations would be laughable if it
were not a disturbing reminder of what people with your mindset would do if
they had any kind of power. Without knowing me, you call me "idiotic", you
“report” me to “management" because I dared to quote your post, you
discharge your pre-packaged load of opinionated rants including Trump,
Europe good, the U.S. bad, insults against old people who you sentence as
“bigots”, and, most facetious of all: you order people to stay home and not
dare to make any decisions you disapprove of.

As another lister remarked to me privately, a promoter of diversity will
not tolerate a diverse opinion.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:45 AM, Frank Cadenhead <[log in to unmask]>

> Dear Sir or Madame,
>      What sparked my interest was your comment obviously objecting to
> transgender people. You took my lead sentence and expanded it with  your
> dark
> commentary. The fact that you can repeat the shit of Donald Trump on this
> list and
> feel comfortable that nobody will object is a commentary on this list and
> the
> average age here. But you should anticipate, when you do that, that some
> might
> object. For me, it is mind-spinningly hilarious that someone on an opera
> discussion
> list hates transgenders when these issues have been central to the art for
> the
> entire long history of opera.  You would have had to work hard to have
> missed
> that.
>       I posted this without commentary not to poke a response from haters.
> I spend
> time every day looking at the music press in Europe. Every country has
> their music
> and opera magazines and the print press on the continent still published
> regular
> reviews and commentary on opera. The internet is also full of news and
> information about opera but, normally, there is very little reporting
> which comes
> from America. In Europe opera is very much a living art and therefore, the
> adventurous decision of Tulsa Opera to have a transgender Don was
> surprising
> news from a part of the world seldom heard from.  There were reports of
> this that
> I saw in Spanish, French and German. In no case were these critical of the
> decision
> because, in Europe, transgenders are no longer though to be despicable
> sexual
> deviants. The general European reaction, when Trump barred transgenders in
> the
> military, was one of surprise and for Europeans to hear that an American
> opera
> company was taking this step was reported to help readers understand that
> not
> everyone in America was marching backward.
>       An opera company anywhere should understand that people under 60 are
> their
> target audience and that old bigots should not be making artistic
> decisions or
> controlling repertory, etc. They can stay at home and post on Opera-l.
> Frank Cadenhead
> Opera! Celebrating Transgender Freedom for Over Five Hundred Years!
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 22:14:07 +0000, ls111553 . <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >Post it as yours? It was my post, with my name on it. If quoting you means
> >"sexual issues† to you, looks like you have some stuff to work out.
> >
> >On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:25 PM Frank Cadenhead <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >> To the management:
> >> How in heck is it tolerable that some idiotic lister can change the text
> >> of my
> >> original post and seemingly post it again as mine?  If he or she has
> >> sexual issues
> >> maybe he or she should be on another list...
> >> Frank Cadenhead
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 20:59:42 +0000, ls111553 . <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >> >Tulsa Opera is now in the news around the world... for the wrong
> reason.
> >> >
> >> >On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:32 PM Frank Cadenhead <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Tulsa Opera is now in the news around the world:
> >> >> history-oklahoma-n851951
> >> >> <
> make-

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