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Subject: Fwd: WHRB MINUS DAVID ELLIOTT
From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:20:53 -0500
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: WHRB MINUS DAVID ELLIOTT
To: Jon Goldberg <[log in to unmask]>


This discussion makes me want to hear samples of all those DJs,
bad as well as good.  On balance, you seem to have it better in
Boston than we do in NY, as far as programming goes.

dtmk

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Jon Goldberg <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I've long been a fan of Brian McCreath, going back to the days when he
> took over for the
> ailing (and soon to pass away) Robert J. Lurtsema on Morning Pro Musica. A
> class act.
>
> Though I confess - I still miss Lurtsema too. A bit of an acquired taste
> perhaps (and he
> constantly broke that rule about "dead air" lol - those extra silences
> were one of his
> trademarks, I guess you could say) - but he really knew his stuff, his
> programming was
> always interesting and varied (and occasionally veering beyond classical
> music as well),
> and, since for some years I had to get up for school around the time his
> show started,
> those birds and his daily theme music (a different theme for each day of
> the week)
> became a welcoming part of my morning ritual. (Along with the tradition he
> started with
> his Sunday morning broadcasts of the Bach cantatas, which turned me into a
> huge fan of
> that repertoire.)
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:23:09 -0500, DK Conn <[log in to unmask]
> >
> wrote:
>
> >WHRB has broadcast "composer orgies" that have included opera; I'm
> thinking
> >for instance of the Britten orgy that included all of his operas plus
> pretty
> >much all of his vocal/choral music.
> >
> >I don't know why Della Chiesa was given the job of hosting the BSO
> >broadcasts.  As Angelo says, it is cringe-inducing to listen to him. I
> have
> >to grit my teeth to get through a BSO or Tanglewood broadcast.  Surely the
> >powers that be at WGBH/WCRB realise that they in fact already have staff
> >members (Chris Voss, Brian McCreath) who would be so much better
> >hosts--considerably more knowledgeable about classical music and better
> >spoken.  It's particularly marked when McCreath comes on after a BSO
> broadcast.
> >
> >DK
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:40:45 -0500, ANGELO MAMMANO
> <[log in to unmask]>
> >wrote:
> >>Speaking of Ron Della Chiesa, I try to avoid hearing him even though
> >>sometimes it is unavoidable when I am listening to the BSO broadcasts.
> >>What made me write to 'GBH years ago about him in particular was hearing
> >>him pronounce the composer Loewe's name as "Low".  That really set me off
> >>so I wrote something like "your principal classical music announcer can
> >>only pronounce his own name correctly.  Any other foreign names are mis-
> >>pronounced".  I did get a response. It was that I must be talking about
> >>Ron Della Chiesa and that they had never received any complaints about
> >>his work before me and that they felt that he was greatly respected by
> all.
> >>That was years ago and he has not improved one iota since that time. I
> feel
> >that his laziness and sloppiness is a disgrace and gives all who listen to
> >>him an unfavorable impression of Boston musical life. BTW when I wrote to
> >the BSO about him they answered that they had no control over what 'GBH
> does
> >and agreed with what I had to say.
> >>
> >>At a dinner, again years ago, I happened to be seated across from him at
> >>the same table. He talked about the people who listened to him and how
> >>pleased they were with what he does. What disturbed him I think was that
> >>I spoke to others seated there but completely ignored him.
> >>
> >>Angelo from Boston
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On February 19, 2018 at 11:05 AM Jon Goldberg <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
> >>> But this is a college radio station, and this happens on college radio
> >stations. I spent a
> >>> semester of my freshman year in college doing classical DJ work, and I
> >know that some
> >>> of the other kids doing the same didn't know their Van Cliburn from
> their
> >Von Beethoven,
> >>> lol, and were given no guidance on how to prepare anything. The only
> >training anyone got
> >>> was in how to operate the equipment, and the advice to avoid dead air
> at
> >all costs. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> WERS (Emerson's station) has had a very popular Broadway music show for
> >many many
> >>> years, still running, called "Standing Room Only." The original host
> was
> >the real deal - a
> >>> student who was a classic musical theatre geek in the best sense -
> >somehow he was able
> >>> to keep doing the show for years past his official time as a student -
> >until someone
> >>> decided that wasn't fair, and he got kicked off. Since then, the job
> has
> >been primarily
> >>> given to students only (though at one point, an adult friend of mine
> did
> >get the gig for a
> >>> while - I guess they had no interested students at the time?). Some of
> >the students have
> >>> been musical theatre majors, but some have not. And when it's not, the
> >results have
> >>> been wildly variable - sometimes as bad as what Ray describes below.
> Oh,
> >the mangling
> >>> of names, from Mandy "Paddikin" to "Jool" Styne to "Lay Miserablays"
> >etc...but again, at
> >>> least in former days, there was most likely no impetus to do any prep
> or
> >research.
> >>> Though of course there were many listeners who would assumedly call in
> to
> >give the host
> >>> corrections, lol. (No, I never did, really. But I sure wanted to
> >sometimes...)
> >>>
> >>> But it's not just the kids, of course. The venerable old Ron Della
> Chiesa
> >over on WGBH
> >>> has his share of head-scratching gaffes as well (despite constantly
> >touting all his trips to
> >>> Italy, his Italian pronunciations on-air can be atrocious). Or
> sometimes
> >he over-reaches,
> >>> like when any performance of the many settings of the requiem (by any
> >nationality of
> >>> composer) gets called the "Ray-quiem." Drives me up the wall. There was
> >also the time
> >>> that he announced a recording of a piece by, I thought, Laurie
> Anderson (the
> >>> performance/pop artist) in conjunction with the BSO, which I thought
> >sounded like an
> >>> interesting idea - but it turned out he meant LEROY Anderson...;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 00:59:11 -0500, RAYMOND GOUIN
> <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Tonight was the standard WHRB Sunday Night At The Opera.  The opera
> >being broadcast
> >>> was Boris Godunov.  The sweet young thing serving as announcer (WHRB
> >calls them
> >>> "DJs" and claims to have 125 of them) was so ignorant about opera that
> >she didn't know
> >>> that Boris has a prologue.  She also took so little time (anytime ???)
> to
> >prep for her
> >>> evening's work, that when she gave the synopsis as to what happens at
> the
> >start of the
> >>> opera, she advised that the opera opens in Pimen's Cell.  Fortunately,
> >that was followed
> >>> by the playing of the Prologue.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Regretfully, that is the state of opera on WHRB when David Elliott is
> >not around.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >And there has been far worse.  My favorite is the Sunday Night At The
> >Opera announcer
> >>> waxing poetically as to how great Caruso's voice remained even late in
> >his recording
> >>> career as witnessed in the 1926 Caruso recordings he had just played --
> >amazing
> >>> preservation indeed, considering that Caruso died in 1921!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Also note the decades long near total absence of opera during the Orgy
> >periods.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >I am not the only one to have noticed the above, witness the following
> >comment
> >>> published at Harvard a few years ago:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >"I appreciate the richness of WHRB's classical offerings, but I am
> >distressed that its DJs
> >>> seem never to have heard of half the composers and performers on the
> >playlist, or to
> >>> have read the jewel case before playing the piece. How else to explain
> >the mangling of so
> >>> many European names, the hesitations as of a person afraid of the
> >microphone, and the
> >>> fumbling gaps, found especially before the "brought to you on a XXX
> >compact disc"?
> >>> Surely Harvard has some DJs who actually know classical music? I cringe
> >at the end of
> >>> many pieces, and delight in both the fluency of the WCRB DJs and the
> >vitality of ERS's
> >>> young people. Musical literacy, please, HRB!"
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >We can be grateful for the many things that Elliott has brought to
> >Harvard Radio -- in
> >>> particular his saving of the Met Saturday afternoon broadcasts for
> Boston
> >after the
> >>> whores who took over WCRB following the death of that station's founder
> >cancelled them
> >>> --  but opera is a throw away for him when he is not on the air.  So
> >enjoy Elliott for so
> >>> long as he decides to continue broadcasting, for there will be no
> >successor at WHRB to
> >>> follow him.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Best from Boston.
> >>> >
> >>> >Ray Gouin (former broadcaster)
> >
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