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Subject: Re: Records
From: Ombrarecds <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Ombrarecds <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:00:00 -0600
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A live Norma with Callas and DelMonaco.

Patrick Byrne

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Donald Levine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> I can't remember what was the first thing I bought on CD, I don't think it
> was vocal however, I think it was piano.  Possibly Claudio Arrau or
> Vladimir Horowitz.  Likewise, I can't remember what was the beginning of my
> vocal record collecting and where it took off from the LPs that my parents
> already had.  I still buy CD's and do download and stream.  My biggest
> problem with downloads is that especially with Apple, the format (unless I
> am seriously missing something) comes no where near the quality of a
> pristine LP or a CD.  I know there are streaming sites where you can
> download CD quality or better, but AFAIK, Apple and iTunes is not among
> them.  They have never made the commitment to classical music that they
> have to pop.  I've tried the downloads from Pristine and they too are
> incompatible with Apple and unfortunately, its my Mac that handles my music
> library, not my PC.  So, for us older ones out there who still have good
> functioning ears and good mid high to high end equipment, modern means of
> delivery just don't fit my standards.
> 
> Donald
> 
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Rich Lowenthal <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Over the holidays I bought a CD for my brother and found myself wondering
>> whether it was the last CD I would ever buy. I stream just about everything
>> I listen to--it's more convenient and there's a better selection than
>> what's on my shelves.
>> 
>> We've asked similar things in the past, but as we're waxing nostalgic,
>> what was the first vocal item listers bought on CD? Mine was Jessye Norman
>> singing Vier letzte lieder--still one of my favorite recordings.
>> 
>> Rich
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Jon Goldberg" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: 2/13/2018 11:43:16 AM
>> Subject: Records (was - Re: Another announcer - David Elliott (WHRB
>> Boston))
>> 
>> "All recorded music"?? No sir. The methods have changed, as they have
>>> tended to do
>>> every generation, but music is still being recorded and listened to, and
>>> will be for a long
>>> time to come.
>>> 
>>> What is a record (musically speaking)? At one point it was a cylinder.
>>> Then, very
>>> breakable discs that became standardized at 78 rpm. By the 1930's and
>>> "talkies,"
>>> recordings could be done on film, and tape would follow soon after, in
>>> both reel and
>>> cassette formats. (And of course the ephemeral 8-track, which always
>>> seems to be the
>>> butt of jokes more than a truly successful invention - just like the
>>> Betamax, lol.) The
>>> heavy breakable 78's eventually ceded to "unbreakable" vinyl 33's, and
>>> 45's. (I still have
>>> one of those clip-on adapters that make it possible to play 45's on a
>>> standard turntable.
>>> Remember those little attachments?) The big LP's transformed into small
>>> CD's that
>>> "recorded" in digital terms instead of analog. Which led to music being
>>> recorded on no
>>> discs at all, available the same way that I type this post. But is it
>>> *really* any less valid
>>> this way?
>>> 
>>> Sure, having been born in the 60's, my youth was all about the vinyl age,
>>> and I have to
>>> say that what I *really* miss are the 12" covers, the artwork, the
>>> booklets, etc. Yes, CD's
>>> still had all that, but on a much smaller scale. And yes, as music is
>>> tending to move
>>> online, I do miss the physical form of recording that you can browse in
>>> person at the
>>> store (something we also barely have anymore) - but on the other hand, it
>>> seems to me
>>> that we have more access to so much music online than we've ever had in
>>> the analog
>>> age, and in an instantly accessible way.
>>> 
>>> A decade or so ago, I was still carrying around CD's and a CD Walkman
>>> everywhere I go,
>>> as I'm so often listening to music as I travel. That in itself is
>>> remarkable, given that when
>>> I was a preteen starting to get into opera, my only practical way to
>>> bring music around
>>> with me was in recording LP's to tape and carrying a small tape recorder
>>> (not yet a
>>> Walkman, though that was just around the corner).
>>> 
>>> In fact, I have fond memories of the "pirating" that my dad and I used to
>>> do when I was a
>>> kid - we would build our own personal collections of music by raiding the
>>> several well-
>>> stocked libraries in our area, and recording the vinyl to cassettes. And
>>> with my dad and I
>>> both having a bit of "type A" in us, lol, this was a complex process -
>>> adding up the
>>> timings on the records to see how best to fit them on the cassette (which
>>> actually meant
>>> having to time things ourselves if the info wasn't listed), having to
>>> watch out for
>>> imperfections/skips (my dad was more into having clean recordings - if
>>> there were too
>>> many audible pops and scratches, he wouldn't record it - if it was a
>>> piece I still wanted to
>>> have in my collection, I'd often record it anyway), and
>>> "post-production," which for my
>>> dad was writing the album and cast info on index cards to be filed away,
>>> and giving each
>>> cassette a number to go with those files. Of course, we did buy albums
>>> also, lol - but I'm
>>> sure the 2 of us were far from the only people to be making their own
>>> tapes of library
>>> recordings. ;-)
>>> 
>>> I remember a friend in college (this would have been around 1983/4) who
>>> got a CD
>>> player and was so excited about the new format. Funny that though the
>>> technology was
>>> exciting, I at first didn't like the sound I was hearing - TOO clean to
>>> my ears. But by
>>> 1990, as new recordings I wanted were no longer being offered on LP's, I
>>> gave in. Now I
>>> wonder what the fuss was all about, lol. I still love my LP's, but CD's
>>> became far more
>>> manageable. But now, having so much music on our computers and phones (or
>>> mp3
>>> devices, etc), it's easy to see why even CD's are now a bit "passe" -
>>> even though I still
>>> buy them and play them.
>>> 
>>> But of course I'm not saying anything here that isn't evident to all of
>>> us. Just that I don't
>>> think recorded music is going away anytime soon - it's just the way it's
>>> recorded. Anyone
>>> want to go back (exclusively) to the cylinder age?? ;-)
>>> 
>>> (And going back to the original topic as it relates - I love the very
>>> early recordings that
>>> David Elliott plays. A huge part of our history and legacy, and,
>>> "primitive" sound and all,
>>> so cool to hear. The way we record and listen has changed many times, but
>>> that doesn't
>>> negate the oldest recordings. No sound sissy I, lol.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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