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Subject: Re: OPERA-L Digest - 28 Jan 2018 - Special issue (#2018-120)
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> There are 5 messages totalling 530 lines in this issue.
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> Topics in this special issue:
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>  1. And now, for a touch of sheer idiocy (3)
>  2. Met Tosca in HD/Radio (2)
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> Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:03:53 -0600
> From:    Ombrarecds <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: And now, for a touch of sheer idiocy
> 
> Given the dearth of Callas on film the amazing technology available today ma=
> y at least give a whole new generation a tantalizing glimpse of the Callas m=
> agic.
> I have been an ardent follower of the soprano from the time in 1959 when I f=
> irst heard her in person until the Tosca in 1965 to many of the 1974 concert=
> s.
> i will take her in any form, other than that dreadful Zeffirelli film.
> I was impressed with what I saw this morning and will certainly journey to w=
> hatever American City stages these concerts. The orchestra is live and the v=
> oice will come from her recordings, much improved by Warners.
> 
> Patrick Byrne
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2018, at 8:43 PM, Jason Victor Serinus <[log in to unmask]> wr=
> ote:
>> =20
>> For anyone who has ever wanted their very own inflatable Maria Callas, thi=
> s
>> may just do the trick: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/holograms-and-music/
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>> Extraordinaire: **The Voice of Woodstock =E2=80=A2 The Pavarotti of Pucker=
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>> Music and audiophile critic: Seattle Times, Port Townsend Leader,
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> 
>> City News, American Record Guide, Classical Voice North America, Stanford
>> Live, Opera Now, Copper, and more
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>> "Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the
>> tormentor, never the tormented.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 Elie Wiesel
>> =20
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> time to stand
>> out and be proud, to parade who we are, to celebrate and to let them know
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>> the closet. Together, we will love.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 JVS at our Orlando M=
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> Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2018 03:14:44 +0000
> From:    Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Met Tosca in HD/Radio
> 
> Yes - the one that had acrobatic choreography, and the women of the chorus
> lip-synched in Questa Reggie - you had to pick the real Turandot out of a
> line up, and Ping Pang and Pong had night jobs in a morgue, and Liu died
> from claustrophobia, and the opera ended where Puccini did, and most
> everyone on stage in the last act was holding a disco ball - yup, that one.
> 
> It was a good job of fable telling, even though it often looked like an
> unholy alliance of the Icexapades and the June Taylor Dancers.
> 
> It was on the engaging (not riveting) end of the spectrum.
> 
> But I have yet to see a performance of Turandot where I could believe the
> love.
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:47 PM Jay & Ralph <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> The 'Make Peking White Again' Turandot for doppelgangers from Torino?
>> The one with the YSL knock off coats for costumes?
>> 
>> Well, if you like that sort of thing.....I suppose...
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> ----- Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> The same goes for those who dub productions as Eurotrash based on the
>>> concept but without experiencing it visually. Yes, many are trash. But I
>>> feel unqualified  to eviscerate a production until I have seen it.
>>> 
>>> Opera Dimension has a varying line up of recent productions available
>> from
>>> various houses. Free and in high definition. Each is up for a limited
>> time.
>>> 
>>> I saw a Tosca that was, indeed, shit -worse than Bondy. I wept for the
>>> singers, in particular the tenor who spen one-Hal of the opera in his
>>> underwear and wrapped in duct tape.
>>> 
>>> On the other hand there was Semele, Butterfly, Pelleas, Orfeo and
>> Turandot,
>>> the last from Torino. All of them, visually and dramatically, ranged from
>>> engaging to riveting. The musical aspects  were mixed, but always at
>> least
>>> competent.
>>> 
>>> (NOTE: if you do not like Pelleas your mind will not be changed by the
>>> production currently up on Opera Dimension)
>>> 
>>> I do not remember seeing any of these discussed on this Met-centric list
>>> which has recently been pre-occupied with great artists who have either
>>> been disgraced or are soldiering on while disintegrating, and the
>> Valhalla
>>> of now silent singers of the various golden ages we subscribe to.
>>> 
>>> Paul Ricchi
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:13 AM Idia Legray <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> harleyrider:
>>>> "brash, unpolished and barked a lot..."
>>>> 
>>>> I can tell you were not at the HD or in-house.  I am sorry because you
>>>> would take your Scarpia words and eat them.  There has never been a
>>>> better rendition, calm without facial over-expressions or histrionics,
>> no
>>>> barking, everything played as a top respected official would expect to
>>>> react
>>>> rather than a sleazy low class decadent bum like the Bondy Scarpia.
>>>> 
>>>> Lucic had this part right in his hands and he played it perfectly, and
>> it
>>>> was
>>>> definitely anything but unpolished.
>>>> 
>>>> This proves a point to me more than ever.
>>>> We who listen over the airwaves and then are absolutely certain and
>> strong
>>>> of our opinions (I've done it myself on several occasions) have no
>> right to
>>>> have a voice.  It's like seeing only one part of that elephant that the
>>>> blind
>>>> children saw.  It's unfair to the singers, it's unfair to the director,
>>>> and it is
>>>> unfair to the production itself which none of us can see.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd love the opinion of one who actually SAW the production AFTER
>> dissing
>>>> it over the airwaves and see what they come up with.  I guarantee it
>> will
>>>> be an enlightening experience for them.  (I would suggest that
>> mayonnaise
>>>> and a little mustard will help get the sole of that shoe down easier
>> if you
>>>> chew it slowly.) LOL
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> Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:16:42 -0500
> From:    daaaac <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: And now, for a touch of sheer idiocy
> 
> If anyone believes they are experiencing one iota of Callas via =
> hologram, a self-administered frontal lobotomy would be more =
> enlightening.
> 
> Donald=20
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Jason Victor Serinus =
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> =20
>> For anyone who has ever wanted their very own inflatable Maria Callas, =
> this
>> may just do the trick: =
> https://www.cbsnews.com/video/holograms-and-music/
>> =E2=80=94
>> ---
>> Jason Victor Serinus http://www.jasonserinus.com     Whistler
>> Extraordinaire: **The Voice of Woodstock =E2=80=A2 The Pavarotti of =
> Pucker**
>> Music and audiophile critic: Seattle Times, Port Townsend Leader,
>> Stereophile, Listen, San Francisco Classical Voice, Bay Area Reporter, =
> Gay
>> City News, American Record Guide, Classical Voice North America, =
> Stanford
>> Live, Opera Now, Copper, and more
>> =20
>> "Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages =
> the
>> tormentor, never the tormented.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 Elie Wiesel
>> =20
>> =E2=80=9CThis is a time to remember all of us who are LGBTQ. It=E2=80=99=
> s a time to stand
>> out and be proud, to parade who we are, to celebrate and to let them =
> know
>> we will not be silenced, we will not be stopped, we will not go back =
> into
>> the closet. Together, we will love.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 JVS at our =
> Orlando Massacre Support
>> Rally in Port Townsend, WA
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> Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:22:08 -0500
> From:    simon <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Met Tosca in HD/Radio
> 
> I was amused by Max's recollection of first seeing Tosca at age 10 - the
> elderly gentleman sitting next to me at the HD performance was rather
> curmudgeonly remarking (after an audience shot during the intermission)
> that it *really* wasn't a suitable opera for young children (now there's a
> new thread in that ...).
> 
> I saw my first Tosca somewhat later that that, during my student days; the
> fact that it was Callas/Gobbi (at the ROH in the 60s) has set the bar for
> comparisons rather high, but I can honestly say that this production is
> running a very close second. Yoncheva and Lucic really caught fire in act 2
> - I don't think even Gobbi portrayed evil so well, and the chemistry
> between Yoncheva and Grigolo was palpable. Yoncheva definitely did have
> moments reminiscent of Callas.
> 
> Yes, an excellent and well conceptualized production, and the intermission
> interview with designer McFarlane describing the care with which they had
> researched the locales in Rome and created such realistic stage sets was
> very interesting.
> 
> -Simon
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 11:17 PM, Max D. Winter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> Idia Legray wrote:
>> 
>> "I was enthralled, shocked, and thrilled at one of the best acted Toscas
>> I've seen in a long
>> time."
>> 
>> I agree completely with Idia's glowing assessment of today's HD, and I
>> would just add extra
>> kudos for Lucic's powerful Scarpia, one of the best I've ever seen - and
>> he really sang the
>> part, as opposed to barking it.  He was menacing without being
>> melodramatic and projected
>> a twisted sensuality as I think any really good Scarpia must.  (What would
>> #MeToo think of
>> him?)  I also loved when Lucic said during intermission that he liked the
>> production because
>> it did not require him to (in his words) "improvise silly things."  (Like
>> oral sex when the
>> curtain goes up on Act II - thank you, Luc Bondy.)
>> 
>> I went to the HD with a lack of enthusiasm and really only went to see the
>> new production.
>> I have seen what must be dozens of Tosca performances in my life (starting
>> at age 10 in
>> San Antonio, it was one of the first complete operas I ever saw), and
>> frankly, it takes a
>> really special cast to get me out of the house to see "Tosca" these days.
>> Also, I know the
>> music and text so well that I can play the whole thing in my head bar for
>> bar and recite the
>> libretto near verbatim, so I really have gone stale on "Tosca."
>> 
>> So imagine my surprise when, thanks to this fine performance, this opera
>> grabbed me by
>> the gut and I was seduced once again by its power.  In the right hands,
>> the hackneyed old
>> warhorse still has the capacity to thrill and chill this jaded listener.
>> 
>> It's hard to judge voices in HD, so I don't know what Yoncheva and Grigolo
>> sounded like in
>> house.  But as heard in the theater they were outstanding.  Yoncheva
>> delivered a beautiful
>> "Vissi d'arte," and the tricky passage at "Le voci dalle cose" in Act I
>> was flawless.   The
>> production was wonderful - it was realistic and grounded in locale, as is
>> the opera itself,
>> without Zefferelli's excesses.  And superbly staged  Good riddance to the
>> Bondy mess.
>> 
>> MDW
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> Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2018 23:31:52 -0400
> From:    "ls111553 ." <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: And now, for a touch of sheer idiocy
> 
> It's just a tech circus act which is gaining in popularity. Could be fun,
> but not as much as some of the comments in the report:
> 
> "In Maria Callase's [sic] days, the orchestra and the singer were recorded
> all at once, in one pass."
> 
> "-You can have them singing songs they never sang before.
> -Someday, not only could you have Tupac singing... opera, but you could
> have Maria Callas singing hip-hop."
> 
> "Concerts really, these days exist -I would argue- not so much for the
> music, but more just... the singing."
> 
> I find David Pogue's amazement at electronically separating the voice from
> the orchestra rather "scripted". Anyone as tech-savvy as he knows this has
> been done since the analog days.
> I really don't want to see a 3D recreation of Callas or Bjoerling in that
> Chicago Trovatore whose film was lost, but holographic technology would
> bring great special effects to the Ring, The Flying Dutchman, The Magic
> Flute and many others.
> 
> But "robotizing" singers from the past? No, thanks.
> 
> Still, the holographic Callas looks -and moves- wonderfully! I don't think
> she would have ever considered tossing cards at the end of the Habanera,
> but it's quite a touch!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 10:43 PM, Jason Victor Serinus <[log in to unmask]
>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> For anyone who has ever wanted their very own inflatable Maria Callas, th=
> is
>> may just do the trick: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/holograms-and-music/
>> =E2=80=94
>> ---
>> Jason Victor Serinus http://www.jasonserinus.com     Whistler
>> Extraordinaire: **The Voice of Woodstock =E2=80=A2 The Pavarotti of Pucke=
> r**
>> Music and audiophile critic: Seattle Times, Port Townsend Leader,
>> Stereophile, Listen, San Francisco Classical Voice, Bay Area Reporter, Ga=
> y
>> City News, American Record Guide, Classical Voice North America, Stanford
>> Live, Opera Now, Copper, and more
>> 
>> "Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the
>> tormentor, never the tormented.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 Elie Wiesel
>> 
>> =E2=80=9CThis is a time to remember all of us who are LGBTQ. It=E2=80=99s=
> a time to stand
>> out and be proud, to parade who we are, to celebrate and to let them know
>> we will not be silenced, we will not be stopped, we will not go back into
>> the closet. Together, we will love.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 JVS at our Orlando=
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