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Subject: Re: Is the Callas Tosca recording the "best" opera recording ever made?
From: Ombrarecds <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Wed, 3 Jan 2018 09:47:34 -0600
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I was at the Callas/Corelli Tosca in 65. There is a fascinating recording of that historic evening. This one is from a different source than the previous incarnations.
Callas was mesmerizing and Corelli magnificent.

Patrick Byrne

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> On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:08 AM, tom ponti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> I was at the Callas return to the Met in 65, and though past her prime, I found her vocally and physically fascinating. While I do enjoy some of her recordings, I do think that I would have enjoyed the sound of her voice much more in the opera house, especially 5-10 years sooner.
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> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:48 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OPERA-L] Is the Callas Tosca recording the "best" opera recording ever made?
> 
> While I can't really argue with anyone who prefers other Tosca recordings by the likes of Tebaldi, Price, and all the others (I still like the Callas/di Sabada version best, however), I definitely stand with Max on the Flagstad/Furtwangler Tristan recording.  Now THAT might just be THE greatest Tristan ever preserved in commercially recorded sound.  But that's only how I myself see it.
>> On January 2, 2018 at 3:23 PM Maxwell Paley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> 
>> I actually do defend that De Sabata “Tosca” as the best yet, as I also do the Furtwängler “Tristan.”
>> 
>> I think one can find as good or better an instance of any one component elsewhere, but what makes these recordings so great is the particular coalescence of conducting, orchestral playing, singing, dramatic and musical nuance and expression that added up to much more than the sum of the parts.
>> 
>> Aside from still being, at that time, in luxuriant voice, it’s the wealth of detail and subtle inflection in Callas’ singing, as with Flagstad’s studio Isolde, that raises her performance to such an extraordinary level such as Callas herself wasn’t able to replicate.
>> 
>> Max Paley
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jan 2, 2018, at 13:13, tom ponti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> IMO, the Callas-de Sabata Tosca is a bit overrated.  No doubt Callas was a great Tosca but so were Tebaldi, Olivero and Price with more beautiful voices.  Though I have not heard it for many years, I preferred the Tebaldi, Del Monaco and London recording. I also loved the Price di Stefano, Taddei recording.  I also think there is no such thing as one greatest opera recording of all time. I have heard excerpts, on You Tube, of the Met Tosca recording with Price, Corelli, MacNeil  and it is thrilling!
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>>> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of James Camner <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 3:55 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [OPERA-L] Is the Callas Tosca recording the "best" opera recording ever made?
>>> 
>>> Once again a critic of the venerable New York Times has stepped up to make
>>> an official pronouncement as Anthony Tommasini has declared the 1953 De
>>> Sabata Tosca set from EMI the "Best Opera Recording Ever".
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/arts/music/maria-callas-tosca-recording.html?_r=0
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> 
> The Best Opera Recording Ever Is Maria Callas Singing ‘Tosca.’ Hear Why.<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/arts/music/maria-callas-tosca-recording.html?_r=0>
> www.nytimes.com
> These 10 clips show why a riveting 1953 version of Puccini’s opera deserves its status as one of the finest classical albums ever made.
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> 
>>> [https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/12/27/arts/30tosca-recording4/30tosca-recording4-facebookJumbo.jpg]<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/arts/music/maria-callas-tosca-recording.html?_r=0>
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>>> The Best Opera Recording Ever Is Maria Callas Singing ‘Tosca.’ Hear Why.<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/arts/music/maria-callas-tosca-recording.html?_r=0>
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> The Best Opera Recording Ever Is Maria Callas Singing ‘Tosca.’ Hear Why.<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/arts/music/maria-callas-tosca-recording.html?_r=0>
> www.nytimes.com
> These 10 clips show why a riveting 1953 version of Puccini’s opera deserves its status as one of the finest classical albums ever made.
> 
> 
> 
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>>> These 10 clips show why a riveting 1953 version of Puccini’s opera deserves its status as one of the finest classical albums ever made.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is it?
>>> 
>>> No question the De Sabata recording is superb and I wouldn't argue with
>>> anyone who says it's the best Tosca recording, but it isn't my preference.
>>> If I had to pick one Tosca recording it would be the sumptuous vocal feast
>>> that the Metropolitan Opera presented in 1962 and available in excellent
>>> sound on Sony..
>>> 
>>> Vocally this cast: Corelli, Price, MacNeil have much more opulent voices
>>> than Callas, Gobbi or even Di Stefano possessed. Corelli - this is one of
>>> those recordings where the erratic tenor was "on" and when he was "on" he
>>> was simply incredible. Price? She was nearly always on and never better
>>> than in this well mastered 1962 broadcast and MacNeil? Another rock solid
>>> singer. The conducting by Kurt Adler indulges the singers, but with a cast
>>> like this, why not?
>>> 
>>> I also happen to prefer the 1938 EMI Tosca recording with Gigli, Caniglia
>>> and Bechi. Gigli was Gigli the most important Italian tenor to make a
>>> complete opera recording and he is in fine voice along with the
>>> underappreciated Caniglia and Bechi who is like Gobbi but with more voice,
>>> (it wouldn't surprise me if Bechi was Gobbi's model for this role).
>>> 
>>> But putting all that aside, can Tosca, which is not even Puccini's finest
>>> work, be the "best ever opera recording"?
>>> 
>>> I suggest that the Toscanini and Beecham recordings of La Boheme are more
>>> worthy of consideration for such a title.
>>> 
>>> But neither would be on my own list.
>>> 
>>> My "best ever" opera recordings would be (in no particular order) the 1912
>>> Pathe, La Favorite (the only truly idiomatic recording ever made of a Bel
>>> Canto opera), the 1940 Metropolitan Opera Broadcast of Otello with Panizza,
>>> the 1947 NBC Broadcast of Otello with Toscanini, the 1950 NBC Falstaff with
>>> Toscanini, the 1935 Die Walkure Act 1 recording with Walter, Melchior,
>>> Lehmann (no one else has come close to this), the 1932 EMI Don Pasquale
>>> with Schipa, the 1941 Metropolitan Opera broadcast of Fidelio with Walter
>>> and Flagstad, the 1955 Decca Le Nozze Di Figaro with Kleiber (despite the
>>> anachronistic harpsichord this has never been equaled), the 1935 EMI Cosi
>>> Fan Tutte from Glyndebourne, the 1937 EMI Die Zauberflote with Beecham, the
>>> 1962 EMI Boris Godunov with Cluytens, Christoff, the 1939 Metropolitan
>>> Opera Simon Boccanegra broadcast with Tibbett, Rethberg and Pinza (this is
>>> the finest Verdi singing on a complete recording, period), the 1931 EMI
>>> Werther with Vallin (probably the greatest recording ever made of a French
>>> opera) and the 1930 EMI Faust with Journet.
>>> 
>>> One could do ok on a desert island with the above. I'm sure list members
>>> have their own "best" ever recordings and I'd be happy to read their
>>> choices. I don't doubt for a minute that Tommasini has probably not heard
>>> most, if any of the recordings I listed. I would also add another one to
>>> the list, and that is the brilliant complete recording of Hamilton made
>>> with the original cast in 2015 and the only recording I've listed that has
>>> its original cast. Some will perhaps argue that Hamilton doesn't belong
>>> with the above, but I believe it is every bit as much of an opera as any of
>>> them and it is my list after all.
>>> 
>>> Happy New Year!
>>> 
>>> James Camner
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