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Subject: Re: when any career ends in disgrace
From: Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Mon, 1 Jan 2018 17:55:26 +0000

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 We know that there were at least several instances in the
early eighties, for which the Met paid some compensation.
And a new charge was recently leveled about an incident
thirty or more years ago.

That's all we know! At least, that's all I know.

Not one person out of nearly 1000 on this list has answered my
question, though I've asked it three times. When did it end?
I understand that many of you may not find it relevant, but I do
and every time we receive a flurry of self righteous condemnation
basd on nothing more than innuendo, I shall ask that question.

The legal statute of limitations expires after seven years, but the
moral statute is quite different. How different, I'm not certain, but
if James Levine has behaved as reasonable people should for the
last quarter century, and more, I find all of this a tempest in a

Perhaps I'm all alone, and that's ok. It is my view, and I beg nobody's

Happy New Year!


On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:38 Kiwi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Used to be that guilty people were appropriately punished, but it seems to
> me in the last decade or so a double standard has been set which allows
> certain people to commit crimes and not have any sort of penalty lodged
> against them.  I think we can all remember news stories of people who, by
> objective standards, were guilty and yet for societal, political, or
> financial reasons were never required to face punishment.  Oh, a few
> egregious folks serve as exceptions and examples but arguably, if you are a
> 'special' person (for any number of reasons), justice may not be served
> when
> you are caught.  Justice has a peculiar way, at present, of finding
> loopholes for a heck of lot of illegal / immoral activities.  I do believe
> that is one of the growing inequalities in our nation.
> As for Levine, I understand music is an emotional component in a person's
> life and perhaps that emotional connection allows an individual to
> establish
> separate sets of standards for Levine's (and others) conduct.  I'm not one
> of them but I do understand how personal pleasure can cause someone to
> ignore the damage done to others by Levine.  After all, if I derive
> pleasure
> from something, and I am a good person, then how can it possible be wrong?
> I think, perhaps, we would all be surprised by a lot of what goes on within
> the music (or entertainment) business that never makes it to press but is
> sordid and untidy and immoral and crass.  And, to disagree with Les, I
> don't
> think management is held responsible, even when they are clearly involved
> with, at minimum, cover-up.  The Met Board and Met Management is a perfect
> example:  if the stories are correct and these folks have been operating
> behinds the scenes to clean up after Levine and silence the victims for
> decades, and Gelb knew about the latest dust-up for a year and sat on it
> hoping it would shrivel up and blow away, should they be punished?
> Instead,
> they will close around each other and use their considerable political and
> financial clout to remain 'clean.'  You getter believe the lawyers have
> already figured how to play the get out of jail card for them.
> Sadly, I enter 2018 completed jaded and disillusioned.
> Kiwi
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Mitnick
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 11:30 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: when any career ends in disgrace
> i cannot understand the notion that it's only a sexual indiscretion that
> can
> result in a
> dismissal.  That's sheer lunacy.  I can assure you that if someone like the
> General Manager,
> the President of the Board, or even a famous singer were found to have made
> big money off
> a Ponzi scheme, they'd be dismissed as well.  If anyone who held such a
> position was
> discovered to be "money laundering", they'd also be fired.  I mean, let's
> be
> honest
> everybody, Bernie Madoff is not exactly living a life of honor and glory.
> He's a son of a
> bitch without a conscience and deserved exactly what he got.  We're not
> comparing crimes
> here.  All "perps" who commit crimes that inflict emotional or physical
> suffering on others
> are beneath contempt.  I do not for a moment "move the needle" on this
> point.
>      I found the article by that Sved fellow to be pathetic.  I can admire
> and respect Mr.
> Levine's accomplishments as a musician, but as a human being, NEVER.  I
> cannot listen to
> the voices of Tiana Lemnitz and Maria Mueller without them turning to
> poison
> in my ears.
> I won't spend a penny on a Mel Gibson film, and nor would I give Steve
> Bannon a moment
> of my time.
>     From my point of view, it's like asking for forgiveness and redemption
> for Don Michael
> Corleone, Bernie Madoff, or even Charles Manson. We will never know the
> full
> extent or
> depth of Mr. Levine's indiscretions, but we know enough -MORE than enough
> --
> that's more
> than sufficient to taint his legacy forever.
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