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Subject: Re: When any career ends in disgrace
From: Tom Frey <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Tue, 2 Jan 2018 21:49:42 -0500
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All this concern for the perverts and none for the ruined lives of young boys and girls who were the victims of child rape. Even if sometimes consensual , with a minor, it's still a crime. If it happened 30 years ago or yesterday.
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Shepherd <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 20:42:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: When any career ends in disgrace

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:15 PM, Jackie Eubanks <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> I’ve been thinking over Bob Rideout’s post, and I believe he brings up a
> significant issue.  How long do we excoriate someone who’s calumnies
> occurred years, even decades ago, provided they have atoned sufficiently,
> and not repeated the behavior?  The allegations against Levine are clearly
> serious, and demand exposure to the light of day, but, as Bob queries, when
> did the behavior end?  Was it decades ago?  More importantly, did he change
> his behavior, and if so, is this not an issue for civil court, provided
> stature of limitations has not expired?


A private organization can set a higher standard than merely, “No court has
found him liable.” There are plenty of things that could get me fired, that
would not be actionable in any court. This is true of just about any job.

I take Bob Rideout to be asking a different question: should these actions
still be held against him, if the alleged behavior ended a quarter-century
ago? That is a tougher question. Of the famous people who’ve been sacked
since Weinstein, I believe all had at least *some* behavior that was *far*
more recent than that.

I have to admit, once the first couple of shoes dropped in the Levine case,
I expected more to come out of the woodwork. These are not the kinds of
acts that the typical offender can just suddenly stop committing.


> Innuendo should not convict, but evidently it is going to trail Levine
> into the grave, an eternal sort of punishment, and then it is only left to
> biographers to sort out.  If he continued his alleged predations after the
> Met imposed some sort of prohibition, well, then, the axe has fallen where
> it should have.
>

There are persistent *rumors* that the Met paid off the accuser in one or
more cases (or arranged for donors to do so), and told him: “never again”.
This is *totally* unsubstantiated and not confirmed on the record by the
Met (or anyone). One correspondent to this thread, told me that the record
of an arrest was actually *published* in the early editions of Pittsburgh
and New York newspapers, but that Met donors managed to get it suppressed.

I have an open mind, but arrests leave a paper trail. Woodward and
Bernstein brought down a presidency. I cannot imagine that a mere *opera
conductor* is so powerful that he could bury an arrest in a place that it
cannot be found. If it is out there, someone would shine the light on it,
and of course that would be a very different story.



-- 
Marc Shepherd
New York, NY

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