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Subject: Re: when any career ends in disgrace
From: Kiwi <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Kiwi <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Mon, 1 Jan 2018 12:38:21 -0500

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Used to be that guilty people were appropriately punished, but it seems to 
me in the last decade or so a double standard has been set which allows 
certain people to commit crimes and not have any sort of penalty lodged 
against them.  I think we can all remember news stories of people who, by 
objective standards, were guilty and yet for societal, political, or 
financial reasons were never required to face punishment.  Oh, a few 
egregious folks serve as exceptions and examples but arguably, if you are a 
'special' person (for any number of reasons), justice may not be served when 
you are caught.  Justice has a peculiar way, at present, of finding 
loopholes for a heck of lot of illegal / immoral activities.  I do believe 
that is one of the growing inequalities in our nation.

As for Levine, I understand music is an emotional component in a person's 
life and perhaps that emotional connection allows an individual to establish 
separate sets of standards for Levine's (and others) conduct.  I'm not one 
of them but I do understand how personal pleasure can cause someone to 
ignore the damage done to others by Levine.  After all, if I derive pleasure 
from something, and I am a good person, then how can it possible be wrong?

I think, perhaps, we would all be surprised by a lot of what goes on within 
the music (or entertainment) business that never makes it to press but is 
sordid and untidy and immoral and crass.  And, to disagree with Les, I don't 
think management is held responsible, even when they are clearly involved 
with, at minimum, cover-up.  The Met Board and Met Management is a perfect 
example:  if the stories are correct and these folks have been operating 
behinds the scenes to clean up after Levine and silence the victims for 
decades, and Gelb knew about the latest dust-up for a year and sat on it 
hoping it would shrivel up and blow away, should they be punished?  Instead, 
they will close around each other and use their considerable political and 
financial clout to remain 'clean.'  You getter believe the lawyers have 
already figured how to play the get out of jail card for them.

Sadly, I enter 2018 completed jaded and disillusioned.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Les Mitnick
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 11:30 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: when any career ends in disgrace

i cannot understand the notion that it's only a sexual indiscretion that can 
result in a
dismissal.  That's sheer lunacy.  I can assure you that if someone like the 
General Manager,
the President of the Board, or even a famous singer were found to have made 
big money off
a Ponzi scheme, they'd be dismissed as well.  If anyone who held such a 
position was
discovered to be "money laundering", they'd also be fired.  I mean, let's be 
everybody, Bernie Madoff is not exactly living a life of honor and glory. 
He's a son of a
bitch without a conscience and deserved exactly what he got.  We're not 
comparing crimes
here.  All "perps" who commit crimes that inflict emotional or physical 
suffering on others
are beneath contempt.  I do not for a moment "move the needle" on this 
     I found the article by that Sved fellow to be pathetic.  I can admire 
and respect Mr.
Levine's accomplishments as a musician, but as a human being, NEVER.  I 
cannot listen to
the voices of Tiana Lemnitz and Maria Mueller without them turning to poison 
in my ears.
I won't spend a penny on a Mel Gibson film, and nor would I give Steve 
Bannon a moment
of my time.
    From my point of view, it's like asking for forgiveness and redemption 
for Don Michael
Corleone, Bernie Madoff, or even Charles Manson. We will never know the full 
extent or
depth of Mr. Levine's indiscretions, but we know enough -MORE than enough --  
that's more
than sufficient to taint his legacy forever.

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