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Subject: Re: (Whatever)
From: Don <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Don <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Tue, 5 Dec 2017 13:34:15 -0700
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Great post Bob with some new ideas on the subject.
dond

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I'm coming to this issue very much in the dark about firm
> facts. It certainly seems that there is at least some truth to
> the rumors we've been hearing for @ forty years, and some
> truth, at least, to the stories of "hush money". What I have
> not heard so far is anything about when and if it ended.
>
> I have previously been told that when the Met paid victims
> in the eighties, it was with the absolute understanding that
> should it happen ever again, James would be gone from the Met
> forever. And, I am prepared to be informed differently, but it
> is my understanding that these awful episodes did end. That
> may not be true, but if it is, we should at the least stop treating
> the Met bigwigs as though their payoffs were nothing better
> than a permission slip.
>
> I think that James Levine should be gone, regardless, but I
> would feel vastly better informed about all if it if we knew
> more about what happened over the course of the last thirty
> and more years.
>
> We may all have our own opinions but we may not all have
> our own facts!
>
> Bob
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 14:38 tom ponti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Excellent post, but a weird thought came to me while reading it. Which
> > great musical personality will or should have the worse personality
> > reputation, Levine or Von Karajan? I have no idea if von K  was involved
> > with any Nazi obscenities, though it seems as though he was a member of
> the
> > Nazi Party. Sadly, I do think it is reasonable to assume most of the
> > accusations about Levine are true. Also, I do believe that some of the
> Met
> > top officials knew of these accusations and seemed to do what they could
> to
> > cover for James.  IF they did, these officials are partially to blame for
> > Levine's supposed evil behavior.  NO conductor, singer or other music
> > genius is worth the reputation of a great opera house, if their behavior
> > bring shame on them or the opera house.  I hope I am not being unfair to
> > James or the Met, but it does seem a reasonable thought?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]
> >
> > on behalf of Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:54 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [OPERA-L]
> >
> > I've said nothing about this publicly on this Board because I wanted to
> > know more and observe everyone else's comments, and Mr. Kane's thinking
> > seems to be closely aligned with my own.  Mr. Levine was an artist whose
> > career was second to none (a Time picture cover three decades ago stands
> as
> > testimony) and he was idolized by many singers who loved working with
> him.
> > I spent the whole day yesterday watching that spectacular 25th
> anniversary
> > tribune from the Met, and I couldn't help thinking about these
> revelations
> > about his perverse behavior.  My first question is that, given that it
> was
> > an "open secret" in the opera world --------- why did it take so long to
> > burst open?  I've read of the Met keeping a "hush fund", certain singers
> > "covering and lying" for him, and the like.  Most disturbing, I even read
> > that Mr. Levine actually inflicted physical pain on one of the men who
> have
> > come forward.
> >     A great conductor he was, certainly.  Moreover, his recordings and
> > DVDs certainly should NOT be banned and withdrawn --- out of respect to
> the
> > contributions of so many great singers who participated in these
> projects.
> > Besides, there are so MANY that it would create a not inconsiderable gap
> in
> > the general classical music catalogue.
> >     If the Met WAS paying out "hush money", then it's up to whomever to
> > determine how complicit the Met could have been in this matter.  If there
> > WERE payouts, under WHO's administration did it take place?  Also, did
> the
> > Board authorize these "hush payments"?
> >     When all is said and done, we have here an artist and musician who
> was
> > a paragon of musical genius. He was also a real creep with a very dark
> side.
> >     Lastly, it is Mr. Levine who DOES take the ultimate downfall here.
> > What a way to end a fifty year career in music.  The tragedy is his alone
> > and a tragedy it surely is.
> > > On December 5, 2017 at 7:46 AM donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gelb called it "a tragedy for everyone involved" or some such words.
> > >
> > > It is no such thing; Levine stands alone as the tragic figure in all
> > this.
> > > He alone persisted in yielding to a deviant sexual appetite, and
> thereby
> > > betrayed the millions who held him in respect for his unique artistic
> > > gifts.
> > >
> > > The embarrassment, inconvenience, or discomfort that these untimely
> > > allegations have aroused are not the elements of tragedy, but of
> pathos.
> > >
> > > dtmk
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Stephen Charitan <[log in to unmask]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I  can almost sense your erotic frisson as you slobbered over your
> > > > keyboard.to report this transgression...
> > > >
> > > > Of course one presumes such things simply don't happen in Paris or
> > amongst
> > > > the revelers of the Fête champêtre you experience daily in the
> bucolic
> > > > paradise of St. Ninny de Fol de rol...
> > > >
> > > > Never, Never, change - YOU are perfect as you are - and never cease
> to
> > > > amuse!
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Frank Cadenhead <
> [log in to unmask]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Headline in Playbill Classic Arts...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Peter Martins, leader of New York City Ballet, is being
> investigated
> > > > over
> > > > > a sexual
> > > > > harassment allegation"
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank Cadenhead
> > > > >
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