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Subject: Re: Levine
From: Rcfgodoy <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Mon, 4 Dec 2017 15:56:46 -0500
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If the existence of a "hush fund" were to mean doom, will it be the same for the entertainment industry?  The government?



-----Original Message-----
From: ANGELO MAMMANO <[log in to unmask]>
To: OPERA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Mon, Dec 4, 2017 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: Levine

The thing that concerns me now is that if it is true that there was a "hush fund"

to pay off people who were or felt abused by Levine then that would seal doom

for the Met.  I was told things over the years like many others.  I was told that

he would bring boys into the Met and Met employees would turn their backs when

this happened.  I have heard much worse which I won't go into here.  With the Met

already suffering large problems with attendance even in these prosperous times

it could take years to get over what is happening today.  Could the Met survive?


Angelo from Boston



> On December 4, 2017 at 9:18 AM A Katalin Mitchell wrote:
> 
> 
>     You know, the fact that now it is all in the open and there is “proof,” makes the whole issue so sad – just about everyone who has attended the MET regularly, or BSO concerts over the last 40 years has known about “Jimmy’s private predilections” and took it for granted that this was not just unfounded gossip, but fact. None of us stopped from going to his concert and opera performances. I always thought of him as a disgusting human being, did not participate in the standing ovations and the adulation given to the maestro, but just as I would never stay away from a Wagner opera, it never occurred to me not to take advantage of the opportunities given to me to hear his music making live.
>     I find it very sorrowful that now, at the end of his life, all that glory is going to be dragged through the mud, though there is no doubt that he deserves every bit of it; his hypocritical denials over the years when questioned make it even more well-earned.
>     We are a very hypocritical society, and all these accusations will make no difference in the long run. After it all dies down and we chew on some other subject (though the best outcome may be that it will finally reach Trump as well and bring him down – that is a hope…..), things will all go back to the way it always is – the strong and powerful will continue to prey on the weak who need their favor, and get away with it.
>     Most of the time.
> 
>     On 12/4/17, 8:07 AM, "Discussion of opera and related issues on behalf of Kiwi" wrote:
> 
>     I guess the question is whether you should separate and celebrate the artist
>     while condemning the man. Are the one and the same or are they separate
>     entities? Do you put the pleasure the artist brings above the horrors of
>     the man who preys on others? I'm seriously asking the question because I've
>     heard this about Wagner for years and now am hearing it about Levine.
> 
>     Should the same standard be applied universally? Outside opera, should Roy
>     Moore be voted into the Senate because the Moore who preyed on young women
>     is a different Moore than the politician?
> 
>     And what is up with the Met? This stuff about James Levine has been around
>     for decades. Now that he is faltering in health and ability, they suddenly
>     grow a conscious and decide to suspend? If it is ever found to be true that
>     the Met Opera paid hush money to victims (and I don't care if it was a
>     previous regime or the current one, since that information would be
>     available internally so all would know) doesn't that make it, in the word of
>     the year terms, complicit?
> 
>    This entire thing is so distressing: a grown man goes after young men, the
>    insider music world knows about but takes no action....and justifies it with
>  the sort of rational that Jon Goldberg writes: the powers simply ignored
>     the awful things the man does because the musician made them money and
>     created art.
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Jon Goldberg
>  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 3:26 PM
>     To: [log in to unmask] mailto:[log in to unmask] .ORG
>     Subject: Re: Levine
> 
> 
> 
>     And, as for Levine, I can indeed separate the felon from his talent the same
>  way I can
>     admire Wagner's music - but yes, it is time for him to face a different kind
>     of music now.
> 
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