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Subject: Re: Singers staying too long (formerly,Met Requiem)
From: RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:57:35 -0500
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I have always appreciated (and often repeated to young singers during the times I was working with them) Fausto Cleva's advice that a singer's career begins when he/she learns to say "No.".

Best.
Ray

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> On November 27, 2017 at 8:50 PM Donald Levine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> 
> I will agree with you on the last two but not on Kirsten.  She was viable
> until the day she stopped.  Milanov probably should have retired by 1960.
> She had already had over thirty years singing a heavy dramatic soprano rep
> - although she had her moments almost up until the end..  Milnes and
> MacNeil both sang too long.  Personally, I think Tucker should have called
> it quits by 1970.  He still have the range but the sound of the voice had
> dried out by then.  Singers have to know three things - when to say no,
> when to say yes and when to say good bye.  Its a tough lesson.
> 
> Donald
> 
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > “I remember a time when singers who passed their primes retired”
> >
> > Maybe I am not old enough to remember that time, but I am old enough to
> > remember Kirsten, Tebaldi, Milano’s, Milnes and others being rapturously
> > received for what they were rather than what they had become. Affection and
> > respect can dull the critical faculties.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 27, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Donald Levine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I remember a time when singers who passed their primes retired.  I
> > remember
> > > a time when singers in the late primes retired rather then sing at
> > anything
> > > much less then that which they had at their best.  Ferruccio Furlanetto,
> > > one of my favorite current singers BTW, is 68 years old.  Almost all of
> > his
> > > contemporaries except Devia, Gruberova, Nucci and Domingo are comfortably
> > > retired (they should probably be also).  It doesn't mean you cannot sing
> > at
> > > that age - many can - but their are days where the vocal apparatus works
> > > and days where it doesn't.  Just look at Domingo - no, he is no baritone
> > > but some days his voice is remarkably preserved and others - well, less
> > > so.  Furlanetto might have had a cold, might have been overcome with
> > > emotion (although he is a great professional and could probably sing
> > > through about anything and keep his emotions under control) but perhaps
> > it
> > > is just the years catching up on him.  Singers are human.  When Dimitri
> > > Hvorostovsky came out on stage at that Met Gala last year, it was
> > amazing.
> > > A remarkable triumph of love and willpower.  I relistened to the
> > Cortigiani
> > > the other day.  My feels were the same as when I first heard it, it was
> > on
> > > all accounts a remarkable display of love and will but to maintain that
> > the
> > > voice was functioning at anything near what he was and what made the
> > world
> > > fall in love with him, is ignoring the basic truth.  Time and illness
> > > spares no one.
> > >
> > > didn't hear the Requiem the other night but I am looking forward to
> > hearing
> > > it on Saturday.  As for Dimitri Hvorostovsky, God bless his memory and
> > let
> > > us be thanks for the nearly thirty years of magnificent music making he
> > > have us.  It wasn't the big dramatic baritone of a Warren, Bastianini,
> > > MacNeil or Merrill, but it was quite simply one of the most beautiful
> > > baritone sounds I ever heard live, a voice on the same level of beauty as
> > > Bastianini and Merrill.
> > >
> > > Donald
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Lucia McCreery <
> > [log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I was in house, in my usual perch in Family Circle standing room, where
> > >> the sound is superb.
> > >> (Gave up an orchestra seat for that!)  Generally, I agree with your
> > >> comments, and felt the
> > >> Dies Irae fell short of the requisite power and terror.
> > >>
> > >> About Furlanetto: I think he had a cold, or something that kept him
> > >> bringing his handkerchief
> > >> to his face. (Maybe he was moved; was he in sorrow for Hvorostovsky
> > too?)
> > >> He also
> > >> frequently bent his head over his closed fist, especially right before
> > it
> > >> was his turn to sing.
> > >> Clearing his throat or head? He sounded better as the perf. went on and
> > >> didn't use his
> > >> handkerchief as much.
> > >>
> > >> The long silence before the applause was quite gratifying, and so was
> > the
> > >> general quiet of the
> > >> house throughout (except for the boneheaded "Bravo!" which I fortunately
> > >> didn't hear).
> > >>
> > >> Also very glad the Met dedicated the series to Hvor and included the
> > >> insert with the touching
> > >> photo and eulogy.
> > >>
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