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Subject: Re: Girls of the Golden West
From: Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sat, 25 Nov 2017 16:37:08 -0500
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Certainly. In this particular instance, incongruity; and in general -as passionate as I am about the art form - I do not approach it on my knees.

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> On Nov 25, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Katalin Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> My favorites in Fanciulla are the natives who sing “Ugh! and use pidgin English. When will the PC police demand a change in the libretto?
> Kati
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2017, at 3:27 PM, donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> Can you explain exactly what it is about an accent that
>> makes you laugh?
>> 
>> dtmk
>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree with David, but I always thought “ Allo Meenie!” one of the best
>>> laugh lines in opera.
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:32 PM David Wagner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks are due to Frank for posting a review he so strongly disagrees
>>> with.
>>>> But, though without the advantage of having seen "Girls," I must agree
>>> with
>>>> krboyce. Unless Kosman's review is just factually inaccurate, "Girls"
>>>> sounds, not so much like a PC teach-in, but like a geeky College
>>>> Republican's send-up of a PC teach-in`.
>>>> 
>>>> I dispute only Kosman's line about of Puccini's "laughable Italian miners
>>>> and...singular heroine." Minnie's singularity as a heroine is a plot
>>>> premise. OK, so the secondary profession of most western women who kept
>>>> saloons was probably not that of schoolmarm/Bible teacher. But the
>>> libretto
>>>> accounts for how Minnie is who she is, in the moving duet in which Rance
>>>> does the same for himself.
>>>> 
>>>> As for the miners, they're only Italian in the sense that Puccini and
>>> that
>>>> Mozart's Spaniards in Don Giovanni and Figaro are, or his Egyptians in
>>>> Flute are German: i.e. the composer and librettist(s) worked in the
>>>> language(s) they were familiar with and were expected of them by most of
>>>> their audiences. Idk, maybe they should have written Fanciulla in English
>>>> bc of its Met premiere; but that would probably have resulted in more
>>>> comical anomalies than their frequent shouts of  "Hello!" Apart from
>>> that,
>>>> they're no more Italian than the libretto language makes them be: they're
>>>> Joe, Happy, Sid, etc., not Giuseppe, Felice, and Siddo, or Sidneo.
>>>> 
>>>> All this is on my mind bc I recently reviewed the Virginia Opera's
>>>> Fanciulla, and immersed myself in the work in preparation. I'll post that
>>>> review separately.
>>>> 
>>>> -David Wagner
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 6:04 PM, [log in to unmask] <
>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Kosman's review is spot on, if scathing. Art forms morph through time.
>>>> But
>>>>> their are expectations that what is produced will have some and
>>> relevance
>>>>> when compared to other examples of the genre. I probably should not
>>> enter
>>>>> this discussion at all. But I was there, twice so far with one more
>>>>> performance coming. And I pretty much agree with what Kosman said.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> From: Frank Cadenhead
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>>>>> Sent: November 23, 2017 at 1:47 AM
>>>>> Subject: Girls of the Golden West
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