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Subject: Re: Girls of the Golden West
From: Katalin Mitchell <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Katalin Mitchell <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sat, 25 Nov 2017 15:43:50 -0500
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My favorites in Fanciulla are the natives who sing “Ugh! and use pidgin English. When will the PC police demand a change in the libretto?
Kati

> On Nov 25, 2017, at 3:27 PM, donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> Can you explain exactly what it is about an accent that
> makes you laugh?
> 
> dtmk
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with David, but I always thought “ Allo Meenie!” one of the best
>> laugh lines in opera.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:32 PM David Wagner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks are due to Frank for posting a review he so strongly disagrees
>> with.
>>> But, though without the advantage of having seen "Girls," I must agree
>> with
>>> krboyce. Unless Kosman's review is just factually inaccurate, "Girls"
>>> sounds, not so much like a PC teach-in, but like a geeky College
>>> Republican's send-up of a PC teach-in`.
>>> 
>>> I dispute only Kosman's line about of Puccini's "laughable Italian miners
>>> and...singular heroine." Minnie's singularity as a heroine is a plot
>>> premise. OK, so the secondary profession of most western women who kept
>>> saloons was probably not that of schoolmarm/Bible teacher. But the
>> libretto
>>> accounts for how Minnie is who she is, in the moving duet in which Rance
>>> does the same for himself.
>>> 
>>> As for the miners, they're only Italian in the sense that Puccini and
>> that
>>> Mozart's Spaniards in Don Giovanni and Figaro are, or his Egyptians in
>>> Flute are German: i.e. the composer and librettist(s) worked in the
>>> language(s) they were familiar with and were expected of them by most of
>>> their audiences. Idk, maybe they should have written Fanciulla in English
>>> bc of its Met premiere; but that would probably have resulted in more
>>> comical anomalies than their frequent shouts of  "Hello!" Apart from
>> that,
>>> they're no more Italian than the libretto language makes them be: they're
>>> Joe, Happy, Sid, etc., not Giuseppe, Felice, and Siddo, or Sidneo.
>>> 
>>> All this is on my mind bc I recently reviewed the Virginia Opera's
>>> Fanciulla, and immersed myself in the work in preparation. I'll post that
>>> review separately.
>>> 
>>> -David Wagner
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 6:04 PM, [log in to unmask] <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Kosman's review is spot on, if scathing. Art forms morph through time.
>>> But
>>>> their are expectations that what is produced will have some and
>> relevance
>>>> when compared to other examples of the genre. I probably should not
>> enter
>>>> this discussion at all. But I was there, twice so far with one more
>>>> performance coming. And I pretty much agree with what Kosman said.
>>>> 
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>>>> ------ Original Message ------
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>>>> From: Frank Cadenhead
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Sent: November 23, 2017 at 1:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Girls of the Golden West
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