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Subject: Re: Girls of the Golden West
From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sat, 25 Nov 2017 15:27:55 -0500
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Can you explain exactly what it is about an accent that
makes you laugh?

dtmk

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I agree with David, but I always thought “ Allo Meenie!” one of the best
> laugh lines in opera.
>
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:32 PM David Wagner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks are due to Frank for posting a review he so strongly disagrees
> with.
> > But, though without the advantage of having seen "Girls," I must agree
> with
> > krboyce. Unless Kosman's review is just factually inaccurate, "Girls"
> > sounds, not so much like a PC teach-in, but like a geeky College
> > Republican's send-up of a PC teach-in`.
> >
> > I dispute only Kosman's line about of Puccini's "laughable Italian miners
> > and...singular heroine." Minnie's singularity as a heroine is a plot
> > premise. OK, so the secondary profession of most western women who kept
> > saloons was probably not that of schoolmarm/Bible teacher. But the
> libretto
> > accounts for how Minnie is who she is, in the moving duet in which Rance
> > does the same for himself.
> >
> > As for the miners, they're only Italian in the sense that Puccini and
> that
> > Mozart's Spaniards in Don Giovanni and Figaro are, or his Egyptians in
> > Flute are German: i.e. the composer and librettist(s) worked in the
> > language(s) they were familiar with and were expected of them by most of
> > their audiences. Idk, maybe they should have written Fanciulla in English
> > bc of its Met premiere; but that would probably have resulted in more
> > comical anomalies than their frequent shouts of  "Hello!" Apart from
> that,
> > they're no more Italian than the libretto language makes them be: they're
> > Joe, Happy, Sid, etc., not Giuseppe, Felice, and Siddo, or Sidneo.
> >
> > All this is on my mind bc I recently reviewed the Virginia Opera's
> > Fanciulla, and immersed myself in the work in preparation. I'll post that
> > review separately.
> >
> > -David Wagner
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 6:04 PM, [log in to unmask] <
> [log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Kosman's review is spot on, if scathing. Art forms morph through time.
> > But
> > > their are expectations that what is produced will have some and
> relevance
> > > when compared to other examples of the genre. I probably should not
> enter
> > > this discussion at all. But I was there, twice so far with one more
> > > performance coming. And I pretty much agree with what Kosman said.
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > ------ Original Message ------
> > >
> > > From: Frank Cadenhead
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: November 23, 2017 at 1:47 AM
> > > Subject: Girls of the Golden West
> > >
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