Can you explain exactly what it is about an accent that makes you laugh?
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On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I agree with David, but I always thought “ Allo Meenie!” one of the best > laugh lines in opera. > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:32 PM David Wagner <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Thanks are due to Frank for posting a review he so strongly disagrees > with. > > But, though without the advantage of having seen "Girls," I must agree > with > > krboyce. Unless Kosman's review is just factually inaccurate, "Girls" > > sounds, not so much like a PC teach-in, but like a geeky College > > Republican's send-up of a PC teach-in`. > > > > I dispute only Kosman's line about of Puccini's "laughable Italian miners > > and...singular heroine." Minnie's singularity as a heroine is a plot > > premise. OK, so the secondary profession of most western women who kept > > saloons was probably not that of schoolmarm/Bible teacher. But the > libretto > > accounts for how Minnie is who she is, in the moving duet in which Rance > > does the same for himself. > > > > As for the miners, they're only Italian in the sense that Puccini and > that > > Mozart's Spaniards in Don Giovanni and Figaro are, or his Egyptians in > > Flute are German: i.e. the composer and librettist(s) worked in the > > language(s) they were familiar with and were expected of them by most of > > their audiences. Idk, maybe they should have written Fanciulla in English > > bc of its Met premiere; but that would probably have resulted in more > > comical anomalies than their frequent shouts of "Hello!" Apart from > that, > > they're no more Italian than the libretto language makes them be: they're > > Joe, Happy, Sid, etc., not Giuseppe, Felice, and Siddo, or Sidneo. > > > > All this is on my mind bc I recently reviewed the Virginia Opera's > > Fanciulla, and immersed myself in the work in preparation. I'll post that > > review separately. > > > > -David Wagner > > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 6:04 PM, [log in to unmask] < > [log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > > > Kosman's review is spot on, if scathing. Art forms morph through time. > > But > > > their are expectations that what is produced will have some and > relevance > > > when compared to other examples of the genre. I probably should not > enter > > > this discussion at all. But I was there, twice so far with one more > > > performance coming. And I pretty much agree with what Kosman said. > > > > > > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > > > > > From: Frank Cadenhead > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Sent: November 23, 2017 at 1:47 AM > > > Subject: Girls of the Golden West > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > > OPERA-L on Facebook: > > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/25703098721/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to [log in to unmask] > > > containing only the words: SIGNOFF OPERA-L > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > > > To stay subscribed but TURN OFF mail, send a message to > > > [log in to unmask] containing only the words: SET OPERA-L > > NOMAIL > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > > > Modify your settings: http://listserv.bccls.org/archives/opera-l.html > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > OPERA-L on Facebook: > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/25703098721/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to [log in to unmask] > > containing only the words: SIGNOFF OPERA-L > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > > To stay subscribed but TURN OFF mail, send a message to > > [log in to unmask] containing only the words: SET OPERA-L > NOMAIL > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > > Modify your settings: http://listserv.bccls.org/archives/opera-l.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > > > > ********************************************** > OPERA-L on Facebook: > http://www.facebook.com/groups/25703098721/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to [log in to unmask] > containing only the words: SIGNOFF OPERA-L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To stay subscribed but TURN OFF mail, send a message to > [log in to unmask] containing only the words: SET OPERA-L NOMAIL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Modify your settings: http://listserv.bccls.org/archives/opera-l.html > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
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