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Subject: Re: OPERA-L Digest - 6 Sep 2017 - Special issue (#2017-870)
From: tom ponti <[log in to unmask]>
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I remember reading that Crespin said that while she was taking a smoke break outside the San Francisco Opera House, she was chastised by a passer by for her smoking. She told her critic that she realized that smoking was bad for her health, but it was very difficult for her to stop.  Opera singers are only human, too.


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From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Tom Frey <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: [OPERA-L] OPERA-L Digest - 6 Sep 2017 - Special issue (#2017-870)

I seem to recall seeing photo of Natalie Dessay with a cigarette. It may have been in an issue of Opera News

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From: RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 00:49:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: OPERA-L Digest - 6 Sep 2017 - Special issue (#2017-870)

Jess Thomas told me that he was a pack a day + smoker throughout his entire career.

Ray


> On September 6, 2017 at 9:12 PM tom ponti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> I have heard that Caballe was a chain smoker at some point of her career
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:58 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OPERA-L] OPERA-L Digest - 6 Sep 2017 - Special issue (#2017-870)
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> I've seen numerous photos of Maria Callas and Tito Gobbi smoking as well.
> > On September 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM Gene Bowen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Smoking:
> > I may be mistaken---and hope that I am---but I think Charles Castronovo
> > suffered  cigarette habituation.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:05 PM, OPERA-L automatic digest system <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > > There are 6 messages totalling 555 lines in this issue.
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> > > Topics in this special issue:
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> > >   1. Opera Singers in Movies (3)
> > >   2. nelson eddy smoking (2)
> > >   3. Fw: nelson eddy smoking
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:38:00 -0400
> > > From:    "G. Paul Padillo" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > >
> > > Rich brought up Eddy=92s participation as Orest in Elektra.   Until I saw=
> > >  his=20
> > > name on a pirate operatic recording some  30 odd years ago, I hadn=92t
> > > a=20=
> > >
> > > clue he=92d legitimately performed in opera.  In fact I's thought od it a=
> > > s=20
> > > a joke.  Boy was I ever wrong.
> > >
> > > Eddy had written a screenplay based on the life of Chaliapin =96 which he=
> > >  had=20
> > > also planned to star in.  Had that happened, someone might have
> > > invented=20=
> > >
> > > the phrase  (before me, now) =93Move over Great Caruso!=94=20
> > >
> > > Mr. Eddy admitted to learning/memorizing 35 opera roles, 31 of which he=92=
> > > d=20
> > > performed.=20=20
> > >
> > > His favorite opera was  =93Gotterdammerung=94 and his favorite composer, =
> > > Wagner.
> > >
> > > Wagner.
> > >
> > > In an interview =93Nelson Eddy Answers All Your Questions,=94 he admitted=
> > >  to=20
> > > smoking.  He also admitted he thought Hollywood was not yet ready to=20
> > > tackle the filming of complete operas stating:=20=20
> > >
> > > =93The studios should perfect and finish the job they=92re doing with thi=
> > > ngs=20
> > > like =93Maytime=94 before they start on the more difficult task of adapti=
> > > ng=20
> > > Wagner and Puccini.=94
> > >
> > > He was asked how old someone should be before they begin singing=20
> > > lessons.=20=20
> > >
> > > =93For a boy, sixteen, after his voice has safely changed. A girl can sta=
> > > rt at=20
> > > fourteen or fifteen if she=92s precocious . . . and talented.=94
> > >
> > > Eddy=92s co-stars on film, stage or studio, included Maria Jeritza, (Salo=
> > > me),=20=20
> > > Amelita Galli-Curci, Rose Bampton, Helen Jepson, Ris=EB Stevens,
> > > Eleanor=20=
> > >
> > > Steber, Dorothy Kirsten, Ingrid Bjoerner, and his maestros included=20
> > > Stokowski. Toscanini, Reiner ns Respighi.
> > >
> > > A 1939 Chicago Tribune article announcing an upcoming recital at the Civi=
> > > c=20
> > > Opera House, mentions his leading roles in several operas, including =93B=
> > > oris=20
> > > Godunov,=94 but, outside of an aria, I=92ve never seen anything indicatin=
> > > g Eddy=20
> > > ever sang Boris =96 or =93in=94 Boris.=20=20
> > >
> > > Some of Nelson Eddy=92s other rose include:=20=20
> > >
> > > CAVALLERIA RUSTICANA - Alfio
> > > LA NAVARRAISE - Bustamente
> > > GIANNI SCHICCHI - Gianni Schicchi
> > > SAMSON ET DELILAH - Abimelech & the High Priest
> > > TANNHAUSER - Wolfram
> > > MADAMA BUTTERFLY - Sharpless
> > > ROMEO ET JULIETTE - Mercutio
> > > LOHENGRIN - Herald
> > > FEUERSNOT - Hammerlein
> > > SECRET OF SUZANNE - Count Gil
> > > L'AMORE DEI TRE RE - Manfredo
> > > DIE MEISTERSINGER - Kothner
> > > MANON LESCAUT - Lescaut
> > > L'ENFANT PRODIGUE - Simeon
> > > ORFEO ED EURYDICE -
> > > DAS RHEINGOLD - Donner
> > > GOTTERDAMMERUNG - Gunther
> > > FAUST - Valentine
> > > HANSEL AND GRETL - Peter
> > > L'ELISIR D'AMORE - Belcore
> > > ELEKTRA - Orestes
> > > WOZZECK - Drum Major (Dramatic Tenor)
> > > MARIA EGIZIACA - Abbot Zosimo and Pilgrim
> > > SALOME - Jochanahan
> > > PARSIFAL - Gurnemanz=20
> > >
> > > P.
> > >
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:48:47 +0000
> > > From:    Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: nelson eddy smoking
> > >
> > >       From: G. Paul Padillo <[log in to unmask]>
> > >  To: [log in to unmask]
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:38 PM
> > >  Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > >   =20
> > > In an interview =E2=80=9CNelson Eddy Answers All Your Questions,=E2=80=9D
> > > h=
> > > e admitted to smoking.
> > > Well,=C2=A0Nelson Eddy=C2=A0was a man.
> > > (Quiz:=C2=A0 Who knows what I am referring to with that statement?)
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:17:33 -0400
> > > From:    "Max D. Winter" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > >
> > > Rich Lowenthal wrote:
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> > > "I would add on Nelson Eddy that he also sang Orest. To my mind, that was=
> > >  his
> > > most unlikely role."
> > >
> > > Well, for most of the opera, Elektra is essentially singing "I'm calling =
> > > you-hoo-hoo-hoo" to=20
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:26:07 -0400
> > > From:    daaaac <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: nelson eddy smoking
> > >
> > > Miss Snow from Mad TV?
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> > > Donald (der andere)
> > > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >      From: G. Paul Padillo <[log in to unmask]>
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> > > > In an interview =E2=80=9CNelson Eddy Answers All Your
> > > Questions,=E2=80=9D=
> > >  he admitted to smoking.
> > > > Well, Nelson Eddy was a man.
> > > > (Quiz:  Who knows what I am referring to with that statement?)
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 21:01:46 +0000
> > > From:    Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Fw: nelson eddy smoking
> > >
> > >     =20
> > > ----- Forwarded Message -----
> > >  From: Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]>
> > >  To: daaaac <[log in to unmask]>=20
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:59 PM
> > >  Subject: Re: nelson eddy smoking
> > >   =20
> > > No.=C2=A0 Lily Pons was once on the Merv Griffin Show (probably more than
> > > o=
> > > nce actually).=C2=A0 They were probably talking about smoking=C2=A0but in
> > > a=
> > > ny event=C2=A0he mentioned that Caruso smoked to which she replied, "Well,
> > > =
> > > Caruso was a man."
> > > I understand that Melchior was out smoking cigars and hunting before he
> > > rec=
> > > orded the Dawn Duet with Flagstad, and that that is the reason=C2=A0he
> > > utte=
> > > rs that famous gasp at the end of the recording.
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >       From: daaaac <[log in to unmask]>
> > >  To: Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]>=20
> > > Cc: Opera-L <[log in to unmask]>
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:26 PM
> > >  Subject: Re: nelson eddy smoking
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> > > Miss Snow from Mad TV?
> > >
> > > Donald (der andere)
> > > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: G. Paul Padillo <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:38 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > > >=20
> > > > In an interview =E2=80=9CNelson Eddy Answers All Your
> > > Questions,=E2=80=9D=
> > >  he admitted to smoking.
> > > > Well, Nelson Eddy was a man.
> > > > (Quiz:=C2=A0 Who knows what I am referring to with that statement?)
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 20:05:53 -0400
> > > From:    ANGELO MAMMANO <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > >
> > > I also love Alexandra. One of the best of the films that features
> > > a famous opera singer is The Search.  It stars Montgomery Clift and
> > > Jarmila Novotna. Monty plays an American soldier who meets and teaches
> > > English to a boy who seems to have lost all of his family in concentration
> > > camps during WW2.  He intends to adopt the boy and take him back to the U.
> > > =
> > > S.
> > > Jarmila is the boy's mother who has been searching for him.  At the end she
> > > recognizes him and calls out his name. They are finally reunited. =20
> > >
> > > Tomorrow on TCM at 8 PM they are showing Fitzcarraldo - a really wonderful
> > > film that I venture to say would please all of us, bar none. Klaus Kinski
> > > takes the lead role.  At 12:30 PM on the same channel is America America.
> > > Not opera but a very moving film that I love.
> > >
> > > Angelo from Boston=20
> > >
> > >
> > > > On September 6, 2017 at 2:15 PM Rich Lowenthal <
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Personally, my favorite Melchior film was his first: "Thrill of a
> > > Romance=
> > > "
> > > > with leads Esther Williams and Van Johnson. (The film also features Tommy
> > > > Dorsey and his band). There is nothing quite like an Esther Williams
> > > film=
> > > ;
> > > > there is a kind of wonderful madness to the swimming numbers, and the
> > > fil=
> > > ms
> > > > (and Williams) are enormously likeable.
> > > >=20
> > > > Melchior reportedly loved making movies. The Met reportedly hated him
> > > mak=
> > > ing
> > > > movies.
> > > >=20
> > > > I would add on Nelson Eddy that he also sang Orest. To my mind, that was
> > > =
> > > his
> > > > most unlikely role.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Discussion of opera and related issues
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of G. Paul Padillo
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 11:47 AM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Opera Singers in Movies
> > > >=20
> > > > While not quite as broad a category as our prior =C2=93opera as
> > > movies=C2=
> > > =94 series,
> > > > it it's worth noting the number of opera singers who appeared in movies,
> > > =
> > > go
> > > > going all the way back to the silent era, some of which have been di
> > > > discussed in the earlier thread.
> > > >=20
> > > > Most singers didn=C2=92t successfully transfer their artistry from the
> > > st=
> > > age to
> > > > the screen, but some are definitely deserving of mention.
> > > >=20
> > > > Theresa Stratas made her film debut as =C2=93White Squaw=C2=94 in
> > > 1961=C2=
> > > =92s =C2=93The
> > > > Canadians=C2=94 directed by the great =C2=93Western=C2=94 filmmaker,
> > > Burt=
> > >  Kennedy. =20
> > > > Outside of operatic (and operetta-ic) roles, she made relatively few
> > > othe=
> > > r
> > > > features, the most notable being 1997=C2=92s =C2=93Under the Piano=C2=94
> > > =
> > > with Amanda
> > > > Plummer.  Stratas won the Gemini Award (Canada's =C2=93Oscar=C2=94) for
> > > B=
> > > est
> > > > Supporting Actress for her role as Regina Basilio, a complicated former
> > > d=
> > > iva
> > > > who gave up stardom for family.  Despite the sacrifice, Regina almost
> > > > singlehandedly destroys the lives of her two daughters.  Stratas creates
> > > =
> > > a
> > > > difficult to love woman, hardboiled and tough as nails, whilst hiding a
> > > > tortured vulnerability and an almost phobic fear of life. =20
> > > >=20
> > > > While I=C2=92m generally leaving out non-operatic performances, Galina
> > > > Vishnevskaya=C2=92s performance as Katerina Ismailova already brought up
> > > =
> > > by
> > > > myself and others, cannot go unmentioned as it=C2=92s one of the most
> > > sea=
> > > ring,
> > > > intense performances =C2=96 sung or spoken, committed to celluloid.  Her
> > > =
> > > only
> > > > non-singing role is the title character of the great Russian director,
> > > > Alexander Sokurov=C2=92s film =C2=93Alexandra.=C2=94  While most
> > > American=
> > > s find his work
> > > > slow going, I happen to adore his films and =C2=93Alexandra=C2=94 ranks
> > > u=
> > > p there with
> > > > his best work.  The fact this man, a titan outside of the world of opera,
> > > > wrote and directed this to honor Vishnevskaya is a genuine tribute to
> > > one=
> > >  of
> > > > the 20th centuries greatest performing artists.  Stripped of her
> > > customar=
> > > y
> > > > glamor, Vishnevskaya=C2=92s Russian babushka is a tough, crotchety old
> > > wo=
> > > man who,
> > > > by any means necessary, (including a tank) makes what is likely her last
> > > > voyage, a visit to her grandson, a soldier serving in the Second Chechen
> > > > War.  Like his other work, Sokurov=C2=92s =C2=93Alexandra=C2=94 raises
> > > ci=
> > > nematic
> > > > storytelling to the highest form of art, and worthy of this great diva. =
> > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > > Another great singer from the past century, Lauritz Melchior made a
> > > handf=
> > > ul
> > > > of films including 1942=C2=92s screwball =C2=93Luxury Liner=C2=94
> > > joining=
> > >  up with George
> > > > Brent, Jane Powell and (wait for it) . . . Xavier Cugat!  Of his
> > > performa=
> > > nce
> > > > the NY Times=C2=92 Bosley Crowther wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > > =C2=93Mr. Melchior puts his bellows to work on anything from a snatch of
> > > =
> > > =C2=91Aida,=C2=94=20
> > > > to a Scandinavian drinking song.  The latter is highly appropriate, for
> > > > you=C2=92d think from  the way he drinks beer in great quaffs all the
> > > way=
> > >  through
> > > > the picture that he was posing for a brewery ad=C2=94
> > > >=20
> > > > Crowther ends his review with:
> > > >=20
> > > > =C2=93Color, as usual, does something to make this Luxury Liner look
> > > brig=
> > > hter=20
> > > > than it is.  Batten down your hatches, if you board it.   You=C2=92re
> > > lik=
> > > ely to
> > > > find=20
> > > > the passage rough.=C2=94
> > > >=20
> > > > Youhza!
> > > >=20
> > > > Julia Migenes dabbled in film, most (un)notably in =C2=93Berlin Blues=C2=
> > > =94 a
> > > > hackneyed, romantic potboiler with the soprano as an American cabaret
> > > sin=
> > > ger
> > > > living in Berlin, when her pianist/boyfriend is shipped back to the East.
> > > > Contrived enough as it is, the film goes off kilter when a conductor
> > > frie=
> > > nd
> > > > tries to help Migenes establish herself as an opera singer.  I remember
> > > > barely staying awake through this in a DC Cineplex not long enough ago to
> > > > have forgotten it. =20
> > > >=20
> > > > While we primarily think of him as a =C2=93Hollywood Musical=C2=94
> > > actor,=
> > >  Nelson Eddy
> > > > was a bona fide opera singer, with some impressive roles in  his
> > > repertoi=
> > > re,
> > > > including the U.S. premiere of two Strauss operas, =C2=93Ariadne auf
> > > Naxo=
> > > s=C2=94 and
> > > > =C2=93Feuersnot.=C2=94  Other impressive roles included the Drum Major
> > > (a=
> > >  tenor
> > > > role!), Amonasro, Wolfram in =C2=93Tannh=C3=A4user=C2=94; Marcello;
> > > Count=
> > >  Almaviva;
> > > > Pappageno; and most impressive (for my money) Gurnemanz in a Parsifal
> > > > conducted by Stowkowski (who conducted him in other works, as well).  He
> > > =
> > > was
> > > > also chosen to sing in the world premiere of=20
> > > > Respighi=C2=92s   =C2=93Maria Egiziaca=C2=94 conducted by the composer
> > > hi=
> > > mself, when the=20
> > > > scheduled maestro, Toscanini, bowed out at the last minute due to
> > > illness=
> > > .
> > > >=20
> > > > My favorite singer ever is Callas, but when I first saw Pasolini's
> > > "Medea=
> > > "=20
> > > > when I was a kid, I generally loathed everything about it.  I watched it
> > > =
> > > a
> > > > few more times, but it wasn't until I was "no longer young" that the
> > > film=
> > >  fi
> > > > finally worked on me and now I watch it perhaps once a year and find
> > > more=
> > >  to
> > > > to appreciate with each viewing.
> > > >=20
> > > > I'd be interested in seeing what other films people mention starring, or
> > > > featuring opera singers. =20
> > > >=20
> > > > p.
> > > >=20
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