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Subject: Re: OPERA-L Digest - 6 Sep 2017 - Special issue (#2017-870)
From: RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
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Jess Thomas told me that he was a pack a day + smoker throughout his entire career.

Ray


> On September 6, 2017 at 9:12 PM tom ponti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have heard that Caballe was a chain smoker at some point of her career
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:58 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OPERA-L] OPERA-L Digest - 6 Sep 2017 - Special issue (#2017-870)
> 
> I've seen numerous photos of Maria Callas and Tito Gobbi smoking as well.
> > On September 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM Gene Bowen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Smoking:
> > I may be mistaken---and hope that I am---but I think Charles Castronovo
> > suffered  cigarette habituation.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:05 PM, OPERA-L automatic digest system <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > > There are 6 messages totalling 555 lines in this issue.
> > >
> > > Topics in this special issue:
> > >
> > >   1. Opera Singers in Movies (3)
> > >   2. nelson eddy smoking (2)
> > >   3. Fw: nelson eddy smoking
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:38:00 -0400
> > > From:    "G. Paul Padillo" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > >
> > > Rich brought up Eddy=92s participation as Orest in Elektra.   Until I saw=
> > >  his=20
> > > name on a pirate operatic recording some  30 odd years ago, I hadn=92t
> > > a=20=
> > >
> > > clue he=92d legitimately performed in opera.  In fact I's thought od it a=
> > > s=20
> > > a joke.  Boy was I ever wrong.
> > >
> > > Eddy had written a screenplay based on the life of Chaliapin =96 which he=
> > >  had=20
> > > also planned to star in.  Had that happened, someone might have
> > > invented=20=
> > >
> > > the phrase  (before me, now) =93Move over Great Caruso!=94=20
> > >
> > > Mr. Eddy admitted to learning/memorizing 35 opera roles, 31 of which he=92=
> > > d=20
> > > performed.=20=20
> > >
> > > His favorite opera was  =93Gotterdammerung=94 and his favorite composer, =
> > > Wagner.
> > >
> > > Wagner.
> > >
> > > In an interview =93Nelson Eddy Answers All Your Questions,=94 he admitted=
> > >  to=20
> > > smoking.  He also admitted he thought Hollywood was not yet ready to=20
> > > tackle the filming of complete operas stating:=20=20
> > >
> > > =93The studios should perfect and finish the job they=92re doing with thi=
> > > ngs=20
> > > like =93Maytime=94 before they start on the more difficult task of adapti=
> > > ng=20
> > > Wagner and Puccini.=94
> > >
> > > He was asked how old someone should be before they begin singing=20
> > > lessons.=20=20
> > >
> > > =93For a boy, sixteen, after his voice has safely changed. A girl can sta=
> > > rt at=20
> > > fourteen or fifteen if she=92s precocious . . . and talented.=94
> > >
> > > Eddy=92s co-stars on film, stage or studio, included Maria Jeritza, (Salo=
> > > me),=20=20
> > > Amelita Galli-Curci, Rose Bampton, Helen Jepson, Ris=EB Stevens,
> > > Eleanor=20=
> > >
> > > Steber, Dorothy Kirsten, Ingrid Bjoerner, and his maestros included=20
> > > Stokowski. Toscanini, Reiner ns Respighi.
> > >
> > > A 1939 Chicago Tribune article announcing an upcoming recital at the Civi=
> > > c=20
> > > Opera House, mentions his leading roles in several operas, including =93B=
> > > oris=20
> > > Godunov,=94 but, outside of an aria, I=92ve never seen anything indicatin=
> > > g Eddy=20
> > > ever sang Boris =96 or =93in=94 Boris.=20=20
> > >
> > > Some of Nelson Eddy=92s other rose include:=20=20
> > >
> > > CAVALLERIA RUSTICANA - Alfio
> > > LA NAVARRAISE - Bustamente
> > > GIANNI SCHICCHI - Gianni Schicchi
> > > SAMSON ET DELILAH - Abimelech & the High Priest
> > > TANNHAUSER - Wolfram
> > > MADAMA BUTTERFLY - Sharpless
> > > ROMEO ET JULIETTE - Mercutio
> > > LOHENGRIN - Herald
> > > FEUERSNOT - Hammerlein
> > > SECRET OF SUZANNE - Count Gil
> > > L'AMORE DEI TRE RE - Manfredo
> > > DIE MEISTERSINGER - Kothner
> > > MANON LESCAUT - Lescaut
> > > L'ENFANT PRODIGUE - Simeon
> > > ORFEO ED EURYDICE -
> > > DAS RHEINGOLD - Donner
> > > GOTTERDAMMERUNG - Gunther
> > > FAUST - Valentine
> > > HANSEL AND GRETL - Peter
> > > L'ELISIR D'AMORE - Belcore
> > > ELEKTRA - Orestes
> > > WOZZECK - Drum Major (Dramatic Tenor)
> > > MARIA EGIZIACA - Abbot Zosimo and Pilgrim
> > > SALOME - Jochanahan
> > > PARSIFAL - Gurnemanz=20
> > >
> > > P.
> > >
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:48:47 +0000
> > > From:    Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: nelson eddy smoking
> > >
> > >       From: G. Paul Padillo <[log in to unmask]>
> > >  To: [log in to unmask]
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:38 PM
> > >  Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > >   =20
> > > In an interview =E2=80=9CNelson Eddy Answers All Your Questions,=E2=80=9D
> > > h=
> > > e admitted to smoking.
> > > Well,=C2=A0Nelson Eddy=C2=A0was a man.
> > > (Quiz:=C2=A0 Who knows what I am referring to with that statement?)
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:17:33 -0400
> > > From:    "Max D. Winter" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > >
> > > Rich Lowenthal wrote:
> > >
> > > "I would add on Nelson Eddy that he also sang Orest. To my mind, that was=
> > >  his
> > > most unlikely role."
> > >
> > > Well, for most of the opera, Elektra is essentially singing "I'm calling =
> > > you-hoo-hoo-hoo" to=20
> > > Orestes.
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:26:07 -0400
> > > From:    daaaac <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: nelson eddy smoking
> > >
> > > Miss Snow from Mad TV?
> > >
> > > Donald (der andere)
> > > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >      From: G. Paul Padillo <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:38 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > > >=20
> > > > In an interview =E2=80=9CNelson Eddy Answers All Your
> > > Questions,=E2=80=9D=
> > >  he admitted to smoking.
> > > > Well, Nelson Eddy was a man.
> > > > (Quiz:  Who knows what I am referring to with that statement?)
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 21:01:46 +0000
> > > From:    Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Fw: nelson eddy smoking
> > >
> > >     =20
> > > ----- Forwarded Message -----
> > >  From: Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]>
> > >  To: daaaac <[log in to unmask]>=20
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:59 PM
> > >  Subject: Re: nelson eddy smoking
> > >   =20
> > > No.=C2=A0 Lily Pons was once on the Merv Griffin Show (probably more than
> > > o=
> > > nce actually).=C2=A0 They were probably talking about smoking=C2=A0but in
> > > a=
> > > ny event=C2=A0he mentioned that Caruso smoked to which she replied, "Well,
> > > =
> > > Caruso was a man."
> > > I understand that Melchior was out smoking cigars and hunting before he
> > > rec=
> > > orded the Dawn Duet with Flagstad, and that that is the reason=C2=A0he
> > > utte=
> > > rs that famous gasp at the end of the recording.
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >       From: daaaac <[log in to unmask]>
> > >  To: Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]>=20
> > > Cc: Opera-L <[log in to unmask]>
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:26 PM
> > >  Subject: Re: nelson eddy smoking
> > >  =20
> > > Miss Snow from Mad TV?
> > >
> > > Donald (der andere)
> > > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Mike Leone <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: G. Paul Padillo <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:38 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > > >=20
> > > > In an interview =E2=80=9CNelson Eddy Answers All Your
> > > Questions,=E2=80=9D=
> > >  he admitted to smoking.
> > > > Well, Nelson Eddy was a man.
> > > > (Quiz:=C2=A0 Who knows what I am referring to with that statement?)
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> > > Date:    Wed, 6 Sep 2017 20:05:53 -0400
> > > From:    ANGELO MAMMANO <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Opera Singers in Movies
> > >
> > > I also love Alexandra. One of the best of the films that features
> > > a famous opera singer is The Search.  It stars Montgomery Clift and
> > > Jarmila Novotna. Monty plays an American soldier who meets and teaches
> > > English to a boy who seems to have lost all of his family in concentration
> > > camps during WW2.  He intends to adopt the boy and take him back to the U.
> > > =
> > > S.
> > > Jarmila is the boy's mother who has been searching for him.  At the end she
> > > recognizes him and calls out his name. They are finally reunited. =20
> > >
> > > Tomorrow on TCM at 8 PM they are showing Fitzcarraldo - a really wonderful
> > > film that I venture to say would please all of us, bar none. Klaus Kinski
> > > takes the lead role.  At 12:30 PM on the same channel is America America.
> > > Not opera but a very moving film that I love.
> > >
> > > Angelo from Boston=20
> > >
> > >
> > > > On September 6, 2017 at 2:15 PM Rich Lowenthal <
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Personally, my favorite Melchior film was his first: "Thrill of a
> > > Romance=
> > > "
> > > > with leads Esther Williams and Van Johnson. (The film also features Tommy
> > > > Dorsey and his band). There is nothing quite like an Esther Williams
> > > film=
> > > ;
> > > > there is a kind of wonderful madness to the swimming numbers, and the
> > > fil=
> > > ms
> > > > (and Williams) are enormously likeable.
> > > >=20
> > > > Melchior reportedly loved making movies. The Met reportedly hated him
> > > mak=
> > > ing
> > > > movies.
> > > >=20
> > > > I would add on Nelson Eddy that he also sang Orest. To my mind, that was
> > > =
> > > his
> > > > most unlikely role.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Discussion of opera and related issues
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of G. Paul Padillo
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 11:47 AM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Opera Singers in Movies
> > > >=20
> > > > While not quite as broad a category as our prior =C2=93opera as
> > > movies=C2=
> > > =94 series,
> > > > it it's worth noting the number of opera singers who appeared in movies,
> > > =
> > > go
> > > > going all the way back to the silent era, some of which have been di
> > > > discussed in the earlier thread.
> > > >=20
> > > > Most singers didn=C2=92t successfully transfer their artistry from the
> > > st=
> > > age to
> > > > the screen, but some are definitely deserving of mention.
> > > >=20
> > > > Theresa Stratas made her film debut as =C2=93White Squaw=C2=94 in
> > > 1961=C2=
> > > =92s =C2=93The
> > > > Canadians=C2=94 directed by the great =C2=93Western=C2=94 filmmaker,
> > > Burt=
> > >  Kennedy. =20
> > > > Outside of operatic (and operetta-ic) roles, she made relatively few
> > > othe=
> > > r
> > > > features, the most notable being 1997=C2=92s =C2=93Under the Piano=C2=94
> > > =
> > > with Amanda
> > > > Plummer.  Stratas won the Gemini Award (Canada's =C2=93Oscar=C2=94) for
> > > B=
> > > est
> > > > Supporting Actress for her role as Regina Basilio, a complicated former
> > > d=
> > > iva
> > > > who gave up stardom for family.  Despite the sacrifice, Regina almost
> > > > singlehandedly destroys the lives of her two daughters.  Stratas creates
> > > =
> > > a
> > > > difficult to love woman, hardboiled and tough as nails, whilst hiding a
> > > > tortured vulnerability and an almost phobic fear of life. =20
> > > >=20
> > > > While I=C2=92m generally leaving out non-operatic performances, Galina
> > > > Vishnevskaya=C2=92s performance as Katerina Ismailova already brought up
> > > =
> > > by
> > > > myself and others, cannot go unmentioned as it=C2=92s one of the most
> > > sea=
> > > ring,
> > > > intense performances =C2=96 sung or spoken, committed to celluloid.  Her
> > > =
> > > only
> > > > non-singing role is the title character of the great Russian director,
> > > > Alexander Sokurov=C2=92s film =C2=93Alexandra.=C2=94  While most
> > > American=
> > > s find his work
> > > > slow going, I happen to adore his films and =C2=93Alexandra=C2=94 ranks
> > > u=
> > > p there with
> > > > his best work.  The fact this man, a titan outside of the world of opera,
> > > > wrote and directed this to honor Vishnevskaya is a genuine tribute to
> > > one=
> > >  of
> > > > the 20th centuries greatest performing artists.  Stripped of her
> > > customar=
> > > y
> > > > glamor, Vishnevskaya=C2=92s Russian babushka is a tough, crotchety old
> > > wo=
> > > man who,
> > > > by any means necessary, (including a tank) makes what is likely her last
> > > > voyage, a visit to her grandson, a soldier serving in the Second Chechen
> > > > War.  Like his other work, Sokurov=C2=92s =C2=93Alexandra=C2=94 raises
> > > ci=
> > > nematic
> > > > storytelling to the highest form of art, and worthy of this great diva. =
> > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > > Another great singer from the past century, Lauritz Melchior made a
> > > handf=
> > > ul
> > > > of films including 1942=C2=92s screwball =C2=93Luxury Liner=C2=94
> > > joining=
> > >  up with George
> > > > Brent, Jane Powell and (wait for it) . . . Xavier Cugat!  Of his
> > > performa=
> > > nce
> > > > the NY Times=C2=92 Bosley Crowther wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > > =C2=93Mr. Melchior puts his bellows to work on anything from a snatch of
> > > =
> > > =C2=91Aida,=C2=94=20
> > > > to a Scandinavian drinking song.  The latter is highly appropriate, for
> > > > you=C2=92d think from  the way he drinks beer in great quaffs all the
> > > way=
> > >  through
> > > > the picture that he was posing for a brewery ad=C2=94
> > > >=20
> > > > Crowther ends his review with:
> > > >=20
> > > > =C2=93Color, as usual, does something to make this Luxury Liner look
> > > brig=
> > > hter=20
> > > > than it is.  Batten down your hatches, if you board it.   You=C2=92re
> > > lik=
> > > ely to
> > > > find=20
> > > > the passage rough.=C2=94
> > > >=20
> > > > Youhza!
> > > >=20
> > > > Julia Migenes dabbled in film, most (un)notably in =C2=93Berlin Blues=C2=
> > > =94 a
> > > > hackneyed, romantic potboiler with the soprano as an American cabaret
> > > sin=
> > > ger
> > > > living in Berlin, when her pianist/boyfriend is shipped back to the East.
> > > > Contrived enough as it is, the film goes off kilter when a conductor
> > > frie=
> > > nd
> > > > tries to help Migenes establish herself as an opera singer.  I remember
> > > > barely staying awake through this in a DC Cineplex not long enough ago to
> > > > have forgotten it. =20
> > > >=20
> > > > While we primarily think of him as a =C2=93Hollywood Musical=C2=94
> > > actor,=
> > >  Nelson Eddy
> > > > was a bona fide opera singer, with some impressive roles in  his
> > > repertoi=
> > > re,
> > > > including the U.S. premiere of two Strauss operas, =C2=93Ariadne auf
> > > Naxo=
> > > s=C2=94 and
> > > > =C2=93Feuersnot.=C2=94  Other impressive roles included the Drum Major
> > > (a=
> > >  tenor
> > > > role!), Amonasro, Wolfram in =C2=93Tannh=C3=A4user=C2=94; Marcello;
> > > Count=
> > >  Almaviva;
> > > > Pappageno; and most impressive (for my money) Gurnemanz in a Parsifal
> > > > conducted by Stowkowski (who conducted him in other works, as well).  He
> > > =
> > > was
> > > > also chosen to sing in the world premiere of=20
> > > > Respighi=C2=92s   =C2=93Maria Egiziaca=C2=94 conducted by the composer
> > > hi=
> > > mself, when the=20
> > > > scheduled maestro, Toscanini, bowed out at the last minute due to
> > > illness=
> > > .
> > > >=20
> > > > My favorite singer ever is Callas, but when I first saw Pasolini's
> > > "Medea=
> > > "=20
> > > > when I was a kid, I generally loathed everything about it.  I watched it
> > > =
> > > a
> > > > few more times, but it wasn't until I was "no longer young" that the
> > > film=
> > >  fi
> > > > finally worked on me and now I watch it perhaps once a year and find
> > > more=
> > >  to
> > > > to appreciate with each viewing.
> > > >=20
> > > > I'd be interested in seeing what other films people mention starring, or
> > > > featuring opera singers. =20
> > > >=20
> > > > p.
> > > >=20
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