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Subject: Re: OPERA-L Digest - 29 Aug 2017 to 30 Aug 2017 - Special issue (#2017-843)
From: Edward Streim <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:59:59 -0400
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> On Aug 30, 2017, at 4:59 AM, OPERA-L automatic digest system <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> There are 8 messages totalling 677 lines in this issue.
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> Topics in this special issue:
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>  1. OPERAS THAT HAVE CAST MEMBERS THAT ARE SINGERS? (2)
>  2. Operas About Floods? (3)
>  3. . Operas About Floods
>  4. alligators!
>  5. Conrad L Osborne
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> Date:    Wed, 30 Aug 2017 00:00:49 -0400
> From:    RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: OPERAS THAT HAVE CAST MEMBERS THAT ARE SINGERS?
> 
> =EF=BB=BFNow that we have reached the level of "operas that have floods?"  =
> how about it's companion piece, the above.
> 
> 
> Really, this type of question makes the Met's opera quiz look like the oral=
> exam for a PhD.
> 
> 
> Ray Gouin
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> Date:    Tue, 29 Aug 2017 20:37:24 -0400
> From:    Jay & Ralph <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Operas About Floods?
> 
> Götterdämmerung!
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> Date:    Wed, 30 Aug 2017 03:59:50 +0000
> From:    David Shengold <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: . Operas About Floods
> 
> =C2=A0Rich Lowenthal wrote:
> "Kat'a Kabanova drowns at the end of her opera in a storm-swollen river"
> 
> Actually she doesn't, though most commentators say she does-- it is clearer=
> in the Ostrovsky play that Kat'a hits an anchor when she jumps into the wa=
> ter and is instantly killed. We are told she looks *as if* alive, with only=
> a small bloodstain-- a detail evoking an Orthodox saint's life. In the ope=
> ra it's a matter of musical time: there is not sufficient time for a drowni=
> ng in the course of what Janacek has written. Suicide yes, drowning no: an =
> important distinction.
> 
> 
> 
>     Mr. Kane beat me to the punch with LE ROI D'YS.=20
> 
> The lovers in THE WRECKERS by Dame Ethel Smyth drown in a cave.=20
> 
> Stravinsky wrote a 1962 television work called THE FLOOD for tenor, two bas=
> ses, actors and a chorus.
>  =20
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> Date:    Wed, 30 Aug 2017 00:14:13 -0400
> From:    don warner saklad <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Operas About Floods?
> 
> Turbulent Waters musicalization of the Johnstown Flood
> This is a Darn Fine Funeral
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BGnIYyqQdM
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> Date:    Wed, 30 Aug 2017 00:41:40 -0400
> From:    donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: OPERAS THAT HAVE CAST MEMBERS THAT ARE SINGERS?
> 
> We actually had that one several months ago, something like:
> "Operas That Feature Characters Who Sing".  There aren't as many
> as you might assume, and you'd be surprised at the number of "but
> don't they all sing?" responses there were.
> 
> This time, the most popular answer is the incident of the Rhine
> overflowing its banks at the end of you know what, but I insist
> that's all it is: an incident, not what the opera is '"about".
> 
> dtmk
> 
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:00 AM, RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Now that we have reached the level of "operas that have floods?"  how
>> about it's companion piece, the above.
>> 
>> 
>> Really, this type of question makes the Met's opera quiz look like the
>> oral exam for a PhD.
>> 
>> 
>> Ray Gouin
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> Date:    Wed, 30 Aug 2017 01:13:36 -0400
> From:    Idia Legray <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Operas About Floods?
> 
> What?  No Rigoletto?  (Sounded pretty windy out there to me.) A case=20
> could be made that poor Gilda was soaked to the skin. The hunchback's=20
> original plan was that eventually the Duke's body would be dumped in the=20=
> 
> river, which probably by that time was overflowing into the streets.
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> Date:    Wed, 30 Aug 2017 01:59:24 -0400
> From:    Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: alligators!
> 
> I know this is off topic, but I can't help it.  I need to share this.=20=20=
> 
>    I was just watching the news and heard and SAW that alligators are no=
> w swimming in the=20
> streets of Houston and elsewhere nearby.  Now people are being warned to =
> take precautions=20
> against alligators.  How in the hell does one accomplish THIS????????????=
> ?
>    No, I'm not crazy!
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> Date:    Wed, 30 Aug 2017 04:59:34 -0400
> From:    Peter Bloch <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Conrad L Osborne
> 
> For opera fans ( of a certain age) there have been hardly any better critics=
> than the great Conrad L Osborne and I'm happy to report that he now has a b=
> log (conradlosborne.com).  Here's just a small example of his outstanding in=
> sights into today's cancer of giving over great works of art to "directors" w=
> ho are determined to get the audience involved in anything except what the c=
> omposer intended.  Of course if you feel that this trend is just fine, go el=
> sewhere:
> "They yank our attention from ear to eye, from characters to concepts, wheth=
> er we=E2=80=99re aware of it or not, whether we want them to or not. They pl=
> ace the music and singing in an accompanimental position vis =C3=A0 vis the p=
> hysical action. As in a movie. Having accomplished that, they look for littl=
> e moments in the music that can be linked to physical actions to =E2=80=9Cju=
> stify=E2=80=9D them (the reverse of the natural operatic procedure). That re=
> quires only a certain inventive cleverness=E2=80=94easy pickin=E2=80=99s, re=
> ally. Then, the director gets credit for great Personenregie. I rage, I melt=
> , I burn."
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 12:00 AM, OPERA-L automatic digest system <LISTSERV@LI=
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>> There are 6 messages totalling 295 lines in this issue.
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>> Topics of the day:
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>> 1. Operas About Floods? (5)
>> 2. Steber's Desdemona
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>> Date:    Tue, 29 Aug 2017 20:55:50 -0400
>> From:    George Rios <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Operas About Floods?
>> =20
>> Donizetti's IL DILUVIO UNIVERSALE, about Noah (or No=3DE8) and the mother o=
> =3D
>> f all floods.
>> =20
>> As for Broadway musicals, there's TWO BY TWO, also about Noah and his flu=3D=
> 
>> dde, with a book=3D20
>> by Peter Stone, lyrics by Martin Charnin, and music by Richard Rodgers, b=3D=
> 
>> ased on a play by=3D20
>> Clifford Odets.
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>> Date:    Tue, 29 Aug 2017 22:07:11 -0400
>> From:    Wendell Eatherly <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Operas About Floods?
>> =20
>> On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 19:47:03 -0400, Max D. Winter <[log in to unmask]> w=3D=
> 
>> rote:
>> =20
>>> Our recent inundations...  have made me wonder: what operas feature floo=3D=
> 
>> ds?=3D20=3D20
>> =20
>> The stage directions at the end of Act II of "Die Frau ohne Schatten" rea=3D=
> 
>> d "the earth opens, a=3D20
>> wall collapses and the river pours in". I imagine most stage directors ig=3D=
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>> nore the part about the=3D20
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>> Date:    Wed, 30 Aug 2017 02:08:57 +0000
>> From:    Charlie Richards <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Operas About Floods?
>> =20
>> Copland's "The Second Hurricane"
>> =20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> =20
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Wendell Eatherly <[log in to unmask]
> =3D
>>> wrote:
>>> =3D20
>>>> On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 19:47:03 -0400, Max D. Winter <[log in to unmask]> =3D=
> 
>> wrote:
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Our recent inundations...  have made me wonder: what operas feature floo=
> =3D
>> ds? =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> The stage directions at the end of Act II of "Die Frau ohne Schatten" rea=
> =3D
>> d "the earth opens, a=3D20
>>> wall collapses and the river pours in". I imagine most stage directors ig=
> =3D
>> nore the part about the=3D20
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>> Date:    Tue, 29 Aug 2017 22:22:11 -0400
>> From:    Michael Kaye <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Operas About Floods?
>> =20
>> Stravinsky: The Flood
>> Donizetti: Il diluvio universale
>> =20
>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:47 PM, Max D. Winter <[log in to unmask]> wrot=
> e:
>>> =20
>>> The sun has just come out in Houston, for which happy event I am going to=
> 
>>> go sacrifice a
>>> goat.
>>> =20
>>> Our recent inundations (I and mine have mercifully been spared any
>>> inconvenience other than
>>> a minor roof leak) have made me wonder: what operas feature floods?  The
>>> only one I can
>>> think of off the top of my head is Britten's "Noye's Fludde."  I can thin=
> k
>>> of operas with
>>> avalanches, earthquakes, volcanoes, and other natural disasters (also
>>> unnatural ones, like
>>> plagues of darkness and death of firstborn).  But not floods.
>>> =20
>>> Any suggestions?
>>> =20
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>> Date:    Tue, 29 Aug 2017 22:37:02 -0400
>> From:    David H Spence <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Operas About Floods?
>> =20
>> Gotterdammerung.
>> =20
>> Now that we have a male stand-in to sync Brunnhilde while injured-foot Ca=3D=
> 
>> therine Foster=3D20
>> sings Brunnhilde at Bayreuth for the last two acts of Gotterdammerung, I =3D=
> 
>> want to apply for=3D20
>> the next time an opportunity comes up.  I'll have to scrounge around my c=3D=
> 
>> loset for what=3D20
>> good lame I may have purchased a long time ago and maybe whatever high he=3D=
> 
>> els may be=3D20
>> sitting around similar to what Melania wore in flight to Texas this morni=3D=
> 
>> ng.  I am acquainted=3D20
>> with Buck Ross at the University of Houston and probably could sign up fo=3D=
> 
>> r some acting=3D20
>> classes from him as well, perhaps even get cast in either Hedda Gabler or=3D=
> 
>> an Edward Albee=3D20
>> play, as I should probably grow very quickly good at doing this.  Where t=3D=
> 
>> hen at Bayreuth do=3D20
>> I send in my application?  ;-),, ;-)=3D20=3D20
>> =20
>> Slipped Disc announced that both males and females may apply for the part=3D=
> 
>> - Brunnhilde.=3D20=3D20
>> And then, I'd like to request Lance Ryan, Daniel Brenna, or Simon O'Neill=3D=
> 
>> as my Siegfried,=3D20
>> because Andreas Schager is simply too good to sing this part in Bayreuth'=3D=
> 
>> s current=3D20
>> production.  He should save his voice for elsewhere.  Furthermore, I do n=3D=
> 
>> ot think my acting=3D20
>> chops would compare with his either, and if any acuti are required out of=3D=
> 
>> me at any point,=3D20
>> to fill in for Cathy, I do not reckon they'd turn out any better than out=3D=
> 
>> of either Goerke or=3D20
>> Herlitzus.
>> =20
>> Pardon my change of subject here.  Hope I have not thrown anybody off tra=3D=
> 
>> ck too much.
>> =20
>> =20
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>> Date:    Tue, 29 Aug 2017 23:24:00 -0400
>> From:    "Max D. Winter" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Steber's Desdemona
>> =20
>> I have been listening to a 1952 Met broadcast of "Otello" with Ramon Vina=3D=
> 
>> y, Eleanor Steber=3D20
>> and Leonard Warren, Fritz Stiedry conducting.  It is a corker of a perfor=3D=
> 
>> mance with all three=3D20
>> principals in great form and fine conducting by Stiedry.  The cream of th=3D=
> 
>> e crop is Steber,=3D20
>> whose Desdemona is beautifully sung, vibrant and passionate with a great =3D=
> 
>> sense of character.=3D20=3D20
>> The Willow Song and Ave Maria are exquisite.  What a great singer this la=3D=
> 
>> dy was!  This is not=3D20
>> a role I associate with her but it is a treat to hear.  (I have never hea=3D=
> 
>> rd Steber sing anything=3D20
>> that was not a treat, at least in her prime.)=3D20=3D20
>> =20
>> According to the Archives, Steber only sang five performances of Desdemon=3D=
> 
>> a at the Met in=3D20
>> the 1952 season.  Two years later Tebaldi showed up on the next broadcast=3D=
> 
>> of "Otello."  (I'm=3D20
>> listening to that performance next.)  Then in 1958, De los Angeles was th=3D=
> 
>> e broadcast=3D20
>> Desdemona.  Steber, Tebaldi, de los Angeles - that's quite a procession! =3D=
> 
>> Pity Milanov didn't=3D20
>> do a broadcast "Otello."  I have heard some in-house tapes but they are i=3D=
> 
>> n pretty mediocre=3D20
>> sound.  Even so, you can tell that this was a good late-career role for M=3D=
> 
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