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Subject: Re: Kaufmann's Otello
From: John Freeman <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:John Freeman <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Wed, 9 Aug 2017 16:00:51 -0400
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Thank you, Don.
You took the very words from my mouth.
Even if I did not disagree with Tom (which I heartily do!) I would still see
his post as out of place on this forum.
John Freeman


On 8/9/17, 3:20 PM, "Don" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Take that political bullshit where somebody wants to see it.  How dare you
> misuse the opera list with such overblown fan worship and not even of an
> opera singer?
> 
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM, tom ponti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> Fact IS that Clinton(Billy), Bush and Obama tried all sorts of diplomacy
>> and appeasement to get the North Koreans to not develop nuclear weapons you,
Don.
>> it seemed that they were going to attack first. Fools like you, just like
>> the appeasers of Hitler, think we should wait until N. Korea attacks some
>> other nation, or us, before we do anything which would make matters much
>> worse. Trump's policy or words has NOTHING to do with hatred of Orientals.
>> Only a Trump Hater like you and most liberals would come to such a stupid
>> conclusion.  If Trump did nothing else, he kept that arrogant nasty crook,
>> Hillary, from becoming President. Hopefully, the the Democrats will get the
>> message and ignore Mrs Clinton, from now on.
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]>
>> on behalf of RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 1:36 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [OPERA-L] Kaufmann's Otello
>> 
>> Add Trump's apologists who today are arguing that Trump did not draw North
>> Korea a red line in the sand because he never actually used the term.
>> These parsing fools will end up causing a cataclysm on the Korean peninsula
>> where hundreds of thousands of lives will be lost. But they don't care
>> because they view all individuals from that part of the world as
>> Ching-Chong, Yellow Monkey, Coin Slot, UFOs (Ugly Fucking Orientals)who
>> lost their usefulness to the United States after they finished the
>> construction of the trans-continental railroad. [For the right-wing
>> fundamentalist Christians and their pastors supporting Trump, add that they
>> are heathen, pagan, non-Christians.]
>> 
>> As to Gelb's flock of sheep (aka board of directors, they think that they
>> can do anything they want and avoid all of the legal responsibilities
>> imposed upon the directors of for-profit corporations because the Met is a
>> non-profit corporation.  I suggest that the time is long overdue for them
>> to be held financially accountable for their misconduct in governance and
>> that they should now be disabused of their fantasy that they can act
>> irresponsibly with impunity.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Ray
>> (who, if you cannot already surmise, is not in the best of moods today --
>> :)
>> 
>> Best.
>> Ray
>>> On August 9, 2017 at 12:55 PM Donald Levine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, they are morons, and Gelb is obviously the Moron in Chief and all
>> the
>>> little Indians are falling in place behind him.  These are indeed crazy
>>> times, just look at some of the characters running the world, our own
>>> Nutster in Chief and Crazed Fat Boy Kim included.
>>> 
>>> Donald
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:38 AM, RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, they ARE morons.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Shakespeare specified that Othello/Otello is a Moor.   That is
>> critical to
>>>> the character of the man and the plot.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ray Gouin
>>>> (who is sick and tired of these PC proponents and their defenders)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ***
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>     On August 9, 2017 at 10:56 AM "ls111553 ." <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>     On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:31 AM Max D. Winter <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>     "I can't imagine anyone except a PC-addled moron being offended
>> by
>>>> Vickers'
>>>>>     makeup."
>>>>> 
>>>>>     Looks like the Met, the ROH and many ithers are being invaded by
>>>> PD-addled
>>>>>     morons these days...
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