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Subject: Re: Cultural controversy swirls around Seattle Opera'sMadame_Butterfly
From: Kiwi <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Kiwi <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Fri, 4 Aug 2017 10:23:40 -0400

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Would appealing to common sense have stopped Romeo and Juliet?

One of the reasons Cio-Cio San has to be so young is that there is no 
reasoning with the young when it comes to affairs of the heart.  The music 
for Yamadori informs the audience and makes the tragedy all the greater 
rather than offering Cio-Cio San a realistic alternative.  I also posit that 
you could fairly easily take Butterfly and set it in any of the religious 
cults with minor changes and staff it with any color / ethnic group you want 
and it would work fairly well (not perfectly).

I think we sometimes miss the point that opera is about human foibles and 
how the best intentions, the truest hearts, the sanest plans can often lead 
to disaster.  It doesn't really matter race or gender:  life decisions that 
lead to tragedy don't respect either.

The biggest problem (for me) is that too often the libretto is so weak as to 
undermine the story, even in the greatest of operas.  There are often 
unexplainable gaps and  logic flaws that I wonder why the composer didn't 
send the words back for a redo.  Alas, we are stuck with what we have.

-----Original Message----- 
From: donald kane
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:59 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Cultural controversy swirls around Seattle 

Not only that, the music Puccini lavished on the scene involving Yamadori
is among his most gorgeous inspirations, allowing no mistake as to what
he thought she was throwing away.

Sorry to bring it up, but isn't music what makes all of this worth


On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> It very well may transform her into a tragic heroine, all right.  She's an
> unwilling victim UNTIL Prince Yamadori presents himself.  It's an escape
> hatch for her, but she refuses to avail herself to it, which also says
> something about her lack of sophistication and inborn survival skills.
> With that refusal to Prince Yamadori, she seals her own fate.  That's the
> way I see it.
> > On August 3, 2017 at 3:43 PM donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have never seen her as having
> > the "cards of life stacked against
> > her"; on the contrary. Prince Yamadori
> > represents a considerable deck of
> > the very cards that would eventually
> > have brought her happiness; her failure
> > to accept him is the glaring flaw of a
> > romantically obsessed adolescent, and
> > transforms Butterfly into a tragic heroine
> > rather than an unwilling victim..
> >
> > dtmk

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