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Subject: Re: Cultural controversy swirls around Seattle Opera'sMadame_Butterfly
From: ANGELO MAMMANO <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:ANGELO MAMMANO <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Thu, 3 Aug 2017 20:09:20 -0400
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That is also how I see it.  It makes complete sense. That's probably
why I could never feel much sympathy for her plight. 

Angelo from Boston
> On August 3, 2017 at 5:11 PM Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> 
> It very well may transform her into a tragic heroine, all right.  She's an unwilling victim UNTIL Prince Yamadori presents himself.  It's an escape hatch for her, but she refuses to avail herself to it, which also says something about her lack of sophistication and inborn survival skills.  With that refusal to Prince Yamadori, she seals her own fate.  That's the way I see it.
> > On August 3, 2017 at 3:43 PM donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I have never seen her as having
> > the "cards of life stacked against
> > her"; on the contrary. Prince Yamadori
> > represents a considerable deck of
> > the very cards that would eventually
> > have brought her happiness; her failure
> > to accept him is the glaring flaw of a
> > romantically obsessed adolescent, and
> > transforms Butterfly into a tragic heroine
> > rather than an unwilling victim..
> > 
> > dtmk
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:38 PM, kurt youngmann <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > 
> > > In fact this is more the case in the “standard” version of the opera that
> > > we see today.
> > >
> > > In the original, Butterfly is depicted more as mother than as victim. A
> > > careful reading of the original libretto shows this.
> > >
> > > Kurt Youngmann
> > >
> > > > On Aug 3, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Jason Victor Serinus <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh my. Cio-Cio San is a "young woman who, though the cards of=20
> > > > life are stacked against her from the beginning, refuses to play the
> > > vict=
> > > > im." ??? In point of fact, she is the ultimate victim.
> > >
> > >
> > > "The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and a good
> > > ending; and to have the two as close together as possible." - George Burns
> > >
> > >
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