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Subject: Re: What to believe? Rysanek and Isolde
From: Rich Lowenthal <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Wed, 14 Jun 2017 15:38:37 -0400
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According to Ludwig, 'When I told Karl Böhm that Herbert von Karajan wanted me to sing Isolde with him, he raged, "This is criminal!" Then after a short pause to think things over, he continued, "But with me you could sing it.''

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Subject: What to believe? Rysanek and Isolde

Max D Winter: "She said in the same interview that she always wanted to sing Isolde, but that Karl Bohm, one of her mentors, was adamantly opposed to this and told her that if she sang Isolde, "You will no more sing my Kaiserin."

Don't believe it. She told me (twice, with witnesses around) that Bohm had encouraged her to sing Isolde (as he had encouraged Tebaldi to start learning it when they worked together in Italy -- "for later").

According to Rysanek, she learned the role, including some sessions with Bohm, and then he suggested they meet when convenient and that he play and she sing through it -- twice. The second time was to be sure she had the stamina. They got through it once. "I was almost dead", she said. And he agreed it was not a part for her on stage.

The quote attributed to him sounds pretty silly, although he did like Rysanek (he was a very nasty man, not cuddly in that way at all). He had also encouraged her to try out Elektra. She felt she couldn't do it live, but jumped at the film (which nearly killed her anyway, not because of vocal strain but because of a strenuous physical production). He conducted the film.

Ludwig and Crespin were also passionate about singing Isolde. As I've heard it, Milanov discouraged Ludwig. Crespin studied it for a bit but was in crisis by 1969 and felt that the time she might have done it had passed.
She told me that hearing Flagstad live in Paris in the early '50's had stunned and discouraged her but that Lubin, who adored her, had persuaded her that she had different but compelling abilities that suited the role.
So she did, I think, but probably not after 1965. Lotte Lehmann also studied Isolde (I'm not sure she learned the whole role) but apparently realized she didn't have the stamina and settled for the Liebestod, of which she made an unforgettable recording.

AI

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