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Subject: Re: oft-misquoted titles
From: Kenneth Bleeth <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Kenneth Bleeth <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sat, 3 Jun 2017 13:29:47 -0400
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*Die Winterreise* instead of *Winterreise*. In fact, Müller's original
title was *Die Winterreise*, but Schubert dropped the *Die. *


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On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Mark Bartelt <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> OK, I admit that I'm "putting on my pedant hat" here,
> but one thing that I've wondered about for quite some
> time is why various works are often referred to by a
> title which includes a "The" at the beginning, which
> isn't really part of the title.
>
> For example, somebody might say "we're going to hear
> The Messiah this weekend".  Um, no; well, unless the
> Second Coming has been scheduled for then.  The name
> of Handel's work is "Messiah".
>
> And turning to things operatic, there are numerous
> times when I've seen a reference to "I Pagliacci";
> even by opera houses on occasion.  Nope; the title
> is just "Pagliacci".
>
> Seen less frequently, but occasionally, is a "Die"
> in front of "Götterdämmerung".  I'd have expected
> this mistake to be less common in Germany, but it
> happens even there; for example the following page
> for a broadcast this Sunday:
>
>  https://www.br-klassik.de/programm/radio/ausstrahlung-1048648.html
>
> Which leads to my questions:  First, why is it the
> case that people who are often so compulsive about
> trying hard not to mis-speak about other things can
> misremember the correct titles of famous works?
>
> Secondly, are there any other compositions (opera or
> other) whose titles frequently get misremembered in
> this way?  (Either a superfluous "The" where there's
> not supposed to be one, or a missing "The" where one
> should be present, or similar.)
>
> OK, I'll take my pedant hat back off now (for a while,
> at least ;-) ...
>
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