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Subject: Re: Serious Question
From: Don <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Don <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:31:28 -0600
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In a recent master class hosted by Joyce di Donato she taught one of the
students how to develop a trill and mentioned that contrary to Horne's
notion that you had to be born with a trill, you could develop one with
constant practice.
dond

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Andrew Moravcsik <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Actually the truth is more complex.
>
> On perfect pitch, the research is pretty clear. Perfect pitch is inherited
> by nature, but it also must be nurtured. If you do not "activate" it in
> early years, it never developed. So it's a bit misleading to say "You are
> either born with it or not."
>
> As for a trill, I do not know any research on this. Again, at the very
> least, it would seem more likely that IF the underlying ability is
> inherited, you still require training. But is the premise correct? I do not
> know of any research or evidence suggesting that the ability to trill is an
> inherited quality. That doesn't mean it is not: maybe no one has studied
> it. But I would pose the question to Donald: What is the evidence that the
> ability to trill is nature, not nurture?
>
> Andy Moravcsik
> Princeton, NJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of opera and related issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> BCCLS.ORG] On Behalf Of Donald Levine
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 15:13
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Serious Question
>
> Perfect pitch, like a perfect trill or as Zinka Milanov remarked, a
> pianissimo, isn't something easily acquired.  You are either born with it
> or not.  You can be taught to get close to a trill or sing softly, but true
> trills and true pianissimo's are born - they are not made.  Same with
> relative pitch vs perfect pitch.  Perfect pitch is something you are born
> with.  My mother, much to my chagrin when I sang for her, had perfect
> pitch.  I had good relative pitch which is more the norm, I think.
>
> Donald
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:36 AM, Idia Legray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > To follow up from my last post; obviously anyone with half an ear can
> > hear when the orchestra is playing one note and the singer is singing
> > something else.  I am only talking about the subtle
> > "almost-on-the-note" which lacks the precision to be determined as
> on-pitch.
> >
> > An interesting anecdote which might bring a smile and a nod to musicians:
> > When driving on a highway we sometimes come to certain parts that make
> > the same sound every 2 seconds or so.  I ask my mate "what is that
> > particular note?" and of course he is immediately able to identify it.
> > I get the greatest kick out of that. Driving to New York there are
> > often many A-flats.
> >
> > I don't think perfect pitch is something that one can acquire by
> > practice (kind of like a trill, although Marilyn Horne successfully
> > debunked that theory).  You're either born with it or you're not.
> >
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