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Subject: Re: TO THIS WE'VE COME . . .
From: Don <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Don <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sun, 2 Apr 2017 08:37:37 -0600
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Sad to see such a vituperative attack on one of the opera listers.  There
is no excuse for it except pure meanness.
dond

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:46 AM, Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> That is a very well-reasoned and balanced analysis, MDW. Appropriate even
> if the original post was an April Fool thing.
>
> Unfortunately there is little desire - by either side - to resolve the
> issue. Each side sees and uses it as a handy polarization device. You have
> been castigated here, I see, for trying to generate heat, rather than
> light...that is to be expected.
>
> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 10:08 PM Max D. Winter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > "So why, therefore, did he make this "proclamation"  at all?  The only
> > reason I can find as an even possible explanation is that  he wanted,
> quite
> > deliberately, for the House to come down publicly on the  conservative
> side
> > of a very controversial issue, without the House APPEARING to  dabble in
> > politics."
> >
> > Well, actually, there is a very obvious alternative explanation.
> > (Obvious, that is, to anyone
> > whose thinking has not been muddled by contemporary PC dogma.)
> >
> > The overwhelming majority of people in this country, particularly women,
> > do not want to
> > share a communal restroom (or locker room) with members of the opposite
> > sex.  (This
> > includes people who reside outside the State of North Carolina.)  So,
> > there are competing
> > sensibilities at work here: those of the transgendered, who want to use
> > restrooms based on
> > their subjective gender identity; and those of biological women and men
> > who don't want to
> > share a restroom with persons of the biological opposite sex.  The latter
> > sensibility is
> > entitled to at least the same consideration and respect as the former.
> > Gelb chose the latter.
> > And given that the latter position undoubtably reflects the views of a
> > large number of Met
> > patrons, if not the majority of them (particularly the women), I don't
> > think one can say that
> > his choice was an unreasonable one.  To suggest that it was based on a
> > desire to cater to
> > "the conservative side" is loony, given Gelb's own left-wing leanings and
> > the PC sensibility
> > demonstrated in his silly no-dark-makeup policy for Otello, Aida,
> > Monastatos, and
> > (presumably) the Emperor Jones, Selika and the Marschallin's page in "Der
> > Rosenkavalier."
> >
> > Now, the practical enforceability of this bathroom policy - which, let us
> > remember, is not a
> > radical new policy but merely a declaration of the continuation of the
> one
> > that has been in
> > effect since the Met's inception - is another issue entirely.  But then,
> > the Met's policy of
> > people only sitting in the seat assigned to them on their ticket is not
> > really enforceable,
> > either, in most cases.  (As a great many Listers know and take advantage
> > of.)  Nor is their
> > policy of no recording during performances.  (Ditto, to some around
> > here.)  But those
> > policies nevertheless each serve a valid purpose.  As does Gelb's new
> > Declaration of Potty
> > Rights.
> >
> > MDW
> >
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