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Subject: Re: 'History's Greatest Composer'
From: Ombrarecds <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Ombrarecds <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Mon, 6 Mar 2017 23:18:37 -0600
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All this crap Ms/Mr/Miss Castle Room posts is boring and pretentious.
Are we sure it isn't that nut job from the Palm Beach Opera posts we used to get.

Patrick Byrne

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On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:26 PM, London Tier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I basically think that such expostulations as you quote are
> silly. Everybody has his own private list of greatest-this and
> greatest-that, but nobody else will agree, and so what?
> 
> I'd like to see a who-is-the-most-precocious list, and then Mendelssohn
> might win hands down.  Nothing that Mozart or Schubert had composed by age
> 17 comes close in quality to Mendelssohn's Octet (age 16) or Overture to *A
> Midsummer Night's Dream* (17).  But you know that they'll get there in the
> end.  Do you know Schubert's Overture to *Des Teufels Lustschloss*,
> composed when Schubert was 18?  A really amazing work. Or his F major Mass,
> which is not much like Schubert so much as Haydn, but is strikingly
> talented.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017, Genevieve Castle Room <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> Yale computer science professor David Gelernter asks 'Who is history’s
>> greatest composer?'
>> 
>> 
>>> "Who is history’s greatest composer? (I encourage my students to ask this
>> sort of wildly unpopular question because it sharpens one’s critical
>> understanding, and forces one to make choices.) The composer is Franz
>> Schubert; he died at 31, and none of his three competitors had finished
>> masterpieces to compare with his at 31. His three opus posthumous sonatas
>> are among the deepest achievements in art. The slow movements of the last
>> two might be the most beautiful in all of music—in competition only with
>> Mozart’s Requiem and the last movement of Beethoven’s op 111 sonata. And
>> what if Schubert’s competitors had each died at 31? Beethoven had finished
>> his stupendous C minor piano concerto, op. 37, and several perfect piano
>> sonatas; but his great work was yet to come. Bach had finished Herz und
>> Mund und Tat und Leben, one of his finest cantatas and his single biggest
>> hit (it includes “Jesus Joy of man’s desiring”); but his greatest music all
>> came later. Mozart is the toughest competitor, because he finished Figaro
>> at 30—Figaro, greatest of his operas, greatest of all operas, the best
>> answer in music (better even than Don Giovanni) to the hardest of all
>> musical problems--how to come to an end. But listen carefully once more to
>> the three sonatas and Schubert wins. (Which doesn’t change the underlying
>> truth, that Beethoven’s Missa Solemnis, his op 110 and 111 sonatas, his
>> string quartet in C# minor and the Gross Fuge are the greatest music of
>> all.)"
>> 
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/
>> theres-enough-time-to-change-everything/517209/
>> 
>> ---------------------
>> 
>> Sheer inanity..... Professor Gelernter wants to sharpen his students'
>> critical understanding by forcing them to make absurd choices, and has a
>> pre-packaged answer to boot.
>> 
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