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Subject: Re: Lookin good/BEARDS ETC
From: Miguel A De Virgilio <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Miguel A De Virgilio <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Thu, 23 Feb 2017 17:39:51 +0000
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At 60, a full grown white beard makes you look 80.
Quite often a full beard can hide a chinless face or a prominent one like Jay Leno  
Cheers,
Miguel 

-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of opera and related issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Clarissa Cheer
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:30 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Lookin good/BEARDS ETC

A comment: Men look good with beards. I like beards, my father had one all his life, and in World World II they were not very common. The marvellous Museum of Archaeology in Naples is full of the most striking statues of Hercules and other ancient Greek heroes with magnificent bodies, and huge beards. Beards were ideal then and not worn among just the old men. In Roman times the men were pretty much clean-shaven.

Later explorer Columbus was perhaps beardless, Vasco de Gama was not. Cabot, Amerigo Vespucci and Marco Polo all had beards. King Henry VIII of England sported a beard, most of his citizens did too. Monteverdi was bearded.
Handel, Bach and Mozart were beardless. A clean face and short hair expressed the end of the French Revolution. Often the 19th century composers were clean-shaven, like Beethoven, Weber, Bellini, Rossini, Donizetti, Wagner, Meyerbeer, Chopin, Liszt, Rubinstein - and the singers Rubini, Mario, Lablache. However, by the mid century moustaches became fashionable and beards made a comeback, I counted Balfe, Sousa, Bizet, Brahms, Verdi, Gounod, Tchaikovsky, Thomas, Debussy, Dvorak to name just a few musical figures. Whiskers arrived in force, British composer Elgar had huge whiskers tweaked up at the ends. How about today?

Cheers, Clarissa Lablache
 

> From: DK Conn <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: DK Conn <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 21:05:41 -0500
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Lookin good
> 
> As a matter of fact, there are many sculptures (and paintings) from 
> ancient Greece depicting men with beards.  It was the rule rather than 
> the exception.  And they are not all depictions of "aging philosophers 
> and kings".  There are many, for example, of warriors and some even of 
> tradesmen.  It was Alexander the Great who introduced the fashion of 
> remaining clean-shaven past boyhood, and this lasted into Hellenistic 
> times.
> DK
> 
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 19:48:30 -0500, donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> Mascagni, yes; there are some striking photos, but with Tschaikowsky, 
>> there is, again,. the beard.  Why did they do it?  It only conceals 
>> the best features of a man's facial structure: a clean jaw line.  Are 
>> there any sculptures from ancient Greece that depict a bearded man, unless he was
>> some aging philosopher or king.?    God has a beard, but Adam, his ideal,
>> aesthetically, according to Michelangelo, does not.   They almost disappear
>> in the Renaissance and 18th century, but make an unwelcome comeback
>> around the time of the young Abraham Lincoln.   A book could be written on
>> this subject, maybe has.
>> 
>> dtmk
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Miguel A De Virgilio < 
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> How about Mascagni and Tchaikovsky ?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Discussion of opera and related issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> BCCLS.ORG] On Behalf Of Stephen Lord
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 5:19 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Lookin good
>>> 
>>> I believe Brahms grew it as he was no more than 5'4 and his voice 
>>> never really took on a mature sound and remained very high. All of 
>>> this probably contributed to the need to look more mature and masculine.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 11:50 PM, donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Photos of the young Brahms are so fetching, I wonder why he ever 
>>>> grew that dreadful beard.  Gounod was  handsome in his youth too, 
>>>> and there is ample evidence that Puccini was unusually photogenic, 
>>>> so my question is: how good looking do composers tend to be?
>>>> 
>>>> dtmk
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