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Subject: Re: New York Times Changes
From: Peter Bloch <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:32:28 -0500
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Worse than the picture error was having the obit written by someone who believes that Gedda's singing into his 70s is "a good two decades past a classical singer's customary retirement age."   The newspaper of record?  What a joke. 

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> On Feb 11, 2017, at 1:25 PM, OPERA-L automatic digest system <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Topics in this special issue:
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>  1. Nicolai Gedda NY Times Obit (was: Nicolai Hedda NY Times Obit)
>  2. Sopranos (5)
>  3. New York Times Changes
>  4. Wasington Concert Opera
>  5. Soprano Favs
>  6. <No subject given>
>  7. I Puritani
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:12:00 -0500
> From:    "Paul C. Brynan" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Nicolai Gedda NY Times Obit (was: Nicolai Hedda NY Times Obit)
> 
> I noticed yesterday that the "Telegraph" in London used the identical,=20=
> 
> incorrect photo of basso Nicolai Ghiaurov as King Philip in tenor Nicolai=
> =20
> Gedda's obituary.  New and embarrassing low levels of music journalism=20=
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> amateurism, lack of fact-checking, etc.  
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:48:36 -0500
> From:    "M. Williams" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Sopranos
> 
> American born: Leontyne Price 
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:12:21 -0600
> From:    Russ Geschke <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Sopranos
> 
> Hi Garry,
> 
> Here are a few we shouldn't overlook:
> 
> American-born soprano:  Lillian Nordica (1857-1914) -- from Philine to 
> Violetta to Isolde to Brunnhilde, the biggest and grandest voice of her 
> time, her 1907 record of "Hunyadi Laszlo" (Erkel) "Ah rebeges a mi vadul 
> lelkemet" demonstrates her complete glorious command of all aspects of vocal 
> technique.  And she was a true soprano, not a "Falcon" or pushed up mezzo.
> 
> British-born (literally) soprano:  Much less strong opinion here, would 
> agree with others suggesting Teyte, Turner or Garden.
> 
> British-born (incl. Commonwealth):  Probably either Nellie Melba or Florence 
> Austral.
> 
> Russ G.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Garry F Bell" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 1:18 AM
> Subject: Sopranos
> 
> 
>> Hi Folks
>> 
>> Without starting a war of words, I was wondering who Listers would say was 
>> the most outstanding (for use of a better phrase) American born Soprano 
>> and British born Soprano?
>> Regards
>> Garry
>> Auckland, New Zealand
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:32:44 -0500
> From:    donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Sopranos
> 
> I don't mean to start the war, but how should we define outstanding,
> and what is the time frame; can we go back as far as Lillian Nordica
> and Nellie Melba?   What if I disclosed the fact that I consider
> Florence Easton to be more outstanding than Ponselle, Steber, or
> Price?, and
> if Maria Callas is Greek, then is Eileen Farrell Irish?  Aside from that, I
> would have to agree with Bob's choice of Maggie Teyte, but among the
> American born sopranos whose career flourished within my own lifetime,
> there was no one more "outstanding" than Beverley Sills.
> 
> dtmk
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Garry F Bell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Hi Folks
>> 
>> Without starting a war of words, I was wondering who Listers would say was
>> the most outstanding (for use of a better phrase) American born Soprano and
>> British born Soprano?
>> Regards
>> Garry
>> Auckland, New Zealand
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> ------------------------------
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:51:03 -0500
> From:    Mark Bednar <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: New York Times Changes
> 
> On Dec 20th the New York Times drastically reduced its critical coverage =
> of
> music and fine arts and I have been surprised not to have seen comments o=
> n
> the Opera List. This last week was particularly bad with only one true
> review (Rusalka). I'm ready to pull the plug on my subscription to the NY=
> T
> but I need other sources with which to replace it.
> 
> So I have two questions for the list:
> 
> 1: Where do you go for reviews and coverage in general of the arts? I wou=
> ld
> prefer mainstream sources and not personal blogs.
> 
> 2: Where do you go for general news? I think the NYT still does a fine jo=
> b
> in this area but it's only a matter of time before cutbacks weaken this
> content as well.
> 
> Thanks, Mark
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:10:15 +0000
> From:    tom ponti <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Sopranos
> 
> My favorites, of those I have seen live:
> 
> American- Price/Sills
> 
> Spanish- Caballe/ Victoria d LA
> 
> Aussie- Dame Joan
> 
> Italian- Maliponte/Tebaldi
> 
> Greek- Callas. I do think she thought of herself more Greek-European than A=
> merican
> 
> NZ- Kiri- Russian- Anna
> 
> Romania- Zaeni  French- Crespin
> 
> Of those I never saw live: Gencer, Milanov, Georgiou, Norman
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]> o=
> n behalf of Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 9:02 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OPERA-L] Sopranos
> 
> P.S. My personal favorite among British sopranos is Maggie
> Teyte. Her recording of the "Perichole" aria, if it were the only
> recording she ever made, would give her a special place in my
> affections. But she made tons, and they are among the most
> extraordinary examples of personality in music that I've ever
> heard.
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2017, Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> American - Maria Meneghini Callas
>> British - Based on recordings, Eva Turner - Based on career and
>> importance, Mary Garden.
>> 
>> If you want to consider Callas as Greek, there is no clear
>> "best" or "greatest". Ponselle, L. Price and Steber all
>> qualify. My personal favorite is Steber Incredible technique
>> and versatility.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
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> ------------------------------
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:23:35 -0500
> From:    Shirley Moyer <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Wasington Concert Opera
> 
> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/15a2cd84cc7cc5a8
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> Of interest to those who might be able to get to DC on March 5.
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:34:00 -0500
> From:    Paul Ferraro <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Soprano Favs
> 
> I am chiefly a "ten-barifan", but I suppose we do require some ladies to add 
> to the "mix".  So, my favs:
> 
> American - Aprile Millo - for a time, she had EVERYTHING; Eileen Farrell; 
> Leontyne Price; Marisa Galvany
> Brit - Josephine Barstow; Amy Shuard; Gwyneth Jones
> Austrian - Leonie Rysanek
> Italian - Renata Tebaldi
> Australian - Dame Joan
> Mexican - Gilda Cruz-Romo
> Bulgarian - Ghena Dimitrova; Raina Kabaivanska
> 
> 
> DonP.
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:00:29 -0500
> From:    Martin Finkelman <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: <No subject given>
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> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:12:28 -0500
> From:    DK Conn <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: I Puritani
> 
> Camarena was interviewed during a previous Met broadcast, and he stated t=
> hen that he=20
> wasn't going to take the high F.  My recollection was that he said he cou=
> ld sing it falsetto=20
> but chose not to do so.
> DK
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 08:30:29 -0500, Ivy Lin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> I was there last night. Here's my review:
>> 
>> http://poisonivywalloftext.blogspot.com/2017/02/i-puritani-no-high-f-but=
> -who-
> cares.html
>> 
>> A blurb:
>> "Whoever knew that the serene I Puritani would be the opera to bring out=
> the audience=20
>> crazies? Last night at the Met's premiere of I Puritani there was this E=
> XTREMELY vocal=20
> Diana=20
>> Damrau fan who would scream "BRAAAAAAVVVVVVIIIIIIISSSSSSIIIIIIMMMMMMAAAA=
> AA"=20
> and=20
>> "THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU" after every number. You could admire her enthusi=
> asm=20
> except=20
>> that sounded more like she was giving birth than anything else.
>> 
>> Then at the end of "Credeasi misera" some fanatical vocal purist (???) s=
> houted "NO=20
> HIGH F" at=20
>> Javier Camarena. The audience was shocked."
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> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:25:50 -0500
> From:    donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Sopranos
> 
> No body has to have a favorite New Zealand born soprano.
> 
> A favorite Romanian born one should be of interest primarily to
> Romanians.
> 
> How controversial can the choices among two or three Australians be?
> 
> The European mainland is the obvious geographical region waiting to be
> explored;  there the names are probably too numerous to contemplate,
> but I noted a conspicuous absence of any German ladies on the
> few international lists that have so far emerged.  I modestly propose
> therefore, that the next two nationalities to consider are German:
>  -  It's either Lotte, the Lehmann I heard, or Lili, the one none of us
> could have, - and Russian: - ? ? ?
> 
> dtmk
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 11:10 AM, tom ponti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> My favorites, of those I have seen live:
>> 
>> American- Price/Sills
>> 
>> Spanish- Caballe/ Victoria d LA
>> 
>> Aussie- Dame Joan
>> 
>> Italian- Maliponte/Tebaldi
>> 
>> Greek- Callas. I do think she thought of herself more Greek-European than American
>> 
>> NZ- Kiri- Russian- Anna
>> 
>> Romania- Zaeni  French- Crespin
>> 
>> Of those I never saw live: Gencer, Milanov, Georgiou, Norman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 9:02 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [OPERA-L] Sopranos
>> 
>> P.S. My personal favorite among British sopranos is Maggie
>> Teyte. Her recording of the "Perichole" aria, if it were the only
>> recording she ever made, would give her a special place in my
>> affections. But she made tons, and they are among the most
>> extraordinary examples of personality in music that I've ever
>> heard.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2017, Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> American - Maria Meneghini Callas
>>> British - Based on recordings, Eva Turner - Based on career and
>>> importance, Mary Garden.
>>> 
>>> If you want to consider Callas as Greek, there is no clear
>>> "best" or "greatest". Ponselle, L. Price and Steber all
>>> qualify. My personal favorite is Steber Incredible technique
>>> and versatility.
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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