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Subject: Re: Rigoletto - among my favorite operas
From: William Fiorelli <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:William Fiorelli <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Wed, 8 Feb 2017 00:17:34 +0000
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My first recording of RIGOLETTO was the LP set with Bastianini, Kraus, and Scotto, Cossotto, Vinco, Gavazzeni.  It was recorded in 1960.I still enjoy it !BILL

      From: Jon Goldberg <[log in to unmask]>
 To: [log in to unmask] 
 Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 7:03 PM
 Subject: Re: Rigoletto - among my favorite operas
   
Yes. Some cultures or societies, even today, do believe in the power of curses. 

And given the title Verdi originally wanted, pre-censors ("La Maledizione"), it seems he 
wanted the opera to be "about" the power of a curse. 

(And a side note - though I agree with Isaac's basic point that operas transplanted to 
modern settings often wind up anachronistically pitting older values/ways of life against a 
setting that doesn't support them - not a few operas rely on curses in one way or another, 
and I've never heard anyone, for instance, object to that facet of the plot in, say, a 
modernized Ring Cycle. Would Alberich's curse really make sense in a modern-set Ring??? 
How come it seems no one has ever noticed that before, lol?)

Rigoletto is about a French king in the way that West Side Story is about warring families 
in Verona, lol, but, point taken. ;-)


On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 12:53:08 -0500, Stephen Lord <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I have to say I have done Jonathan Miller's with him and it works. The malocchio is very 
much in the Italian culture.....
>
>Then again, it's really about a French king!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Isaac Alan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually I think it's about a 16th century Court Jester, but I suppose a Duke does 
feature in there fairly strongly.
>> 
>> I don't believe that it gets a proper airing any place today, where everything seems to 
get forced into another, and usually an outrageously modern era.
>> 
>> The maddening thing to me, is the producer's and director's inability to grasp the fact 
that Rigoletto relies upon the accepted power of a curse, the absence of reliable rapid 
transport, and the power of a Duke to safely commit a man to execution at will. Very 
difficult to imagine any of these things aiding the suspension of disbelief, much later than 
the seventeenth century at the very latest.  Also, Hugo and Verdi were dealing with a 
dramatic story so obviously set in a previous time.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Isaac Alan
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Discussion of opera and related issues <[log in to unmask]> on 
behalf of Michael Liebert <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, 6 February 2017 1:45 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Rigoletto - among my favorite operas
>> 
>> Rigoletto?  Isn't that the one about a 16th Century Duke?  Too bad they
>> don't do it at the Met anymore.
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