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Subject: Re: Pinkerton
From: RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Thu, 2 Feb 2017 11:14:31 -0500
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Don't know.  But Manrico, at the end of Trovatore, is dumber than the two of them combined -- (paraphrased)"Why should I leave", "I won't go", "No!", etc...   :)

Ray

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> On February 2, 2017 at 8:34 AM Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Is Butterfly any dumber than poor Gilda? 
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> From: "R PRADA" <[log in to unmask]> 
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 10:43:07 AM 
> Subject: Pinkerton 
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> I think the opera paints him as something of a rube. Also narcissism was not such a big deal in thinking back then. But his actions are entitled. And yes, they are the same selfish ones of a Japanese man. 
> Japanese housewives were grumps and geishas were trained in socializing. So Butterfly is a bit thin in the real geisha attributes, by the way. 
> 
> They are big time facilitators and founts of cultural knowledge. I had a big kahuna geisha as a friend. Butterfly is a western 
> Male fantasy geisha. She is a newly minted baby geisha. 
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> Thanks for the great comments in this thread! This is fun! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> > Again, maybe he's just stupid 
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