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Subject: Re: Parsifal
From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:48:25 -0500
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Nice going Steve, thanks for saving me the trouble.
I must only ask, in defense of Klingsor, does any villain in
all of opera inhabit a more sumptuous orchestral domain?

dtmk

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Stephen Charitan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> "Parsifal" is a tough "get" but once gotten it does not let go.  The trick,
> if there is one to enchantment, is not to get too caught up in assumptions
> about its religious or metaphysical trappings - the miracle of this music
> is that *if you allow it*, it will provide the key to take you where you
> want to go.
>
> Steve
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Donald
>>
>> My own experience leads me to think that your statement
>> is not true in all cases, thiugh I am certainly not speaking
>> for Louis.
>>
>> I've never "gotten" the overall concept of Parsifal, and its
>> morality message, whatever it may be, escapes me. I have
>> seen the opera a number of times, with some pretty
>> impressive casts, and I remain unconvinced about its
>> magnificence. I do love the choral sections of Act One and
>> most of the third act. The orchestrations are breathtaking
>> throughout, but I really dislike both the concept and the
>> execution of Act Two, a lot. Klingsor and Kundry are just
>> not what I want to watch or hear, though I have enjoyed
>> Callas from the 1950 Rome performance, much more for
>> her extraordinary vocalism than for any insights she may
>> bring to the role. You might say "I just don't get it" though
>> I have enjoyed Crespin, Ludwig, Siepi, Brilioth and others
>> for their vocalism.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 11:24:18 -0500, donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> >To say you "love" Wagner without "getting" PARSIFAL arouses a
>> >suspicion of prejudice based on subject matter, because Wagner's final
>> >work is a summation of all that he strove to achieve as a composer and
>> >dramatist.
>> >
>> >dtmk
>> >
>> >On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Louis Perraud
>> ><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>  I can think of two other listening categories: Operas I never got, and
>> operas I blow hot
>> and cold about.  Top of the list in the first category is Parsifal.  I
>> love all the other Wagner
>> operas, early and late, but P. leaves me cold. In the second category are
>> bel canto operas,
>> esp La donna del lago and Semiramide, which on some listens thrill me and
>> on others bore
>> me.
>> >>
>> >> Louis
>> >>
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