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Subject: Re: "I Am Always Sad Listening To It"
From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:29:28 -0500
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"Music came into the world to give pleasure".  - Thornton Wilder.

dtmk

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Genevieve Castle Room
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Albert Innaurato wrote:
>
>
>>"I am always very suspicious of people who 'like' Turandot, especially
> more than the earlier work. Puccini was always a derivative composer. He
> was a clever lifter of ideas from elsewhere, but he had the knack of making
> them his own usually, as he does in La Boheme. But Turandot, although it
> obviously entailed a lot of intellectual heavy lifting and sheer work, is
> made up of appliqued shreds and patches from elsewhere right down to
> [Schoenberg's] Pierrot Lunaire, Mussorgsky's Gopak, Stravinsky's The
> Nightingale and yes of Lehar in the tenor's arias, and on and on and on....
> It is dramatically and musically false. It is false to the genius Puccini
> demonstrated in all his earlier works with greater and lesser effect. I am
> always sad listening to it. I don't think he could have been happy about
> having recourse to the cheapest Tchaikovsky gimmick, the dogged use of
> sequences to build a melody as in 'In questa reggia'. I happen to like
> Tchaikovsky too, but he overuses that trick."
>
>
> Yes... but what can you reasonably expect from the post-war 1920s,
> especially from a composer born in 1858? In that sense Turandot is typical
> of the various modernist crises around that time.
>
>
> You wrote:
>
>
>>"I happen to like Tchaikovsky too, but he overuses that trick."
>
>
> As an aside: You might want to read Peter Franklin's book on Late
> Romanticism to see how attitudes about Tchaikovsky and others took hold.
>
>
> Here is a description.
>
>
>>"Why are some of the most beloved and frequently performed works of the
> late-romantic period  --  Mahler, Delius, Debussy, Sibelius, Puccini  --
>  regarded by many critics as perhaps not quite of the first rank? Why has
> modernist discourse continued to brand these works as overly sentimental
> and emotionally self-indulgent? Peter Franklin takes a close and
> even-handed look at how and why late-romantic symphonies and operas steered
> a complex course between modernism and mass culture in the period leading
> up to the Second World War. The style’s continuing popularity and its
> domination of the film music idiom (via work by composers such as Max
> Steiner, Erich Wolfgang Korngold, and their successors) bring late-romantic
> music to thousands of listeners who have never set foot in a concert
> hall. *Reclaiming
> Late-Romantic Music* sheds new light on these often unfairly disparaged
> works and explores the historical dimension of their continuing role in the
> contemporary sound world.
>
> http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520280397
>
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