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Subject: Re: Counter inauguration
From: RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:RAYMOND GOUIN <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:30:30 -0500
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STOP INSULTING LAY MACBETH  !


Best.

Ray


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> 
>     On January 13, 2017 at 11:22 AM gordon young <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>     The idea that anything other than opera is "off topic" has always bothered
>     me. We are complex and, generally, intelligent individuals and I am
>     interested in knowing what other opera-lers think on a wide range of topics
>     including politics. Max is right about the numbers of posts on these "off
>     topics" in contrast to the lack of posts on opera. In the past there were
>     many posts on Met performances now few. Will anyone post on the new opera
>     being presented on PBS this evening? As I wrote to Mr. Kane this morning I
>     take the political discussions, rants to the Facebook opera-l where the
>     moderator doesn't reprimand as the subject is "off topic". I might have
>     gotten a bit touchy about the political posts as they seemed too disparage
>     a President I admire a great deal in favor of an amoral lecher who Verdi
>     could have written a great opera about - a male Lady Macbeth.
>     Gordon
> 
>     On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Max Paley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         But, guys, look at the results.
> > 
> >         Post a serious topic about opera and you might, if you're lucky, get one
> >         or two responses. The more whacky the posting, though, the more responses.
> > 
> >         Post something political and you'll get a significant volume of response,
> >         even if a lot of that is to say your posting was inappropriate.
> > 
> >         When it comes to current political events, some people find it cathartic
> >         to vent. The reason they do it here, I think, is that this list is one of
> >         many people's major outlets.
> > 
> >         Max Paley
> > 
> >         Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             On Jan 13, 2017, at 07:44, donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > 
> > >             I agree with most of what you say; contentious political opinions
> > >             should not be aired, but I would suggest that a seemingly "off-
> > >             topic" posting, if it attracts responses from a number of like-minded
> > >             opera enthusiasts, ought to be considered opera-related.. The
> > >             only alternative is censorship. Your advice not to engage is
> > >             sound, but shouldn't allowances be made for those who wish,
> > >             briefly, without offense, and in good humor, to share a reactio?..
> > >             It doesn't take long to recognize those who tend to
> > >             abuse that
> > >             opportunity.
> > > 
> > >             dtmk
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Pandora Shaw <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >                 wrote:
> > > >                 Please people! Find another forum for you political discontent! These
> > > >                 posts are not only offensive, they are unspeakably destructive to fragile
> > > >                 online relationships. There is already enough dissent on this board without
> > > >                 imposing controversial, non-operatic opinions on the group. I take for
> > > >                 granted that all (or at least most) of us are thinking, voting individuals.
> > > >                 We do not look to OPERA-L as a source of political enlightenment! To
> > > >                 continue to engage in political dialogue here is extremely self-indulgent!
> > > >                 I admire so many of you for your knowledge of opera, singers, etc. This
> > > >                 kind of vain cant lessens my regard. To say the least. My advise: If
> > > >                 someone gets off-topic, shun him/her. Don't engage. Spare us!
> > > > 
> > > >                 On Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:09 PM, Michael Liebert <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >                 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > 
> > > > >                     On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:20:19 -0600, Ombrarecds <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >                     wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     Ridiculous statements. I am blocking certain posters in the future.
> > > > > 
> > > > >                 > > > > 
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