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Subject: Re: Am I Too Late To The Fair
From: Peter Bloch <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Sat, 31 Dec 2016 19:26:00 -0500
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And "Carried Away" from On the Town is right out of Hansel and Gretel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2016, at 7:13 PM, OPERA-L automatic digest system <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Topics in this special issue:
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>  1. Am I late to the Fair? (2)
>  2. Salomea Kruscelnicka (2)
>  3. Fwd: Am I late to the Fair? (2)
>  4. ROMEO et JULIETTE on now SIRIUS and MET website
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> Date:    Sat, 31 Dec 2016 19:04:38 +0000
> From:    David Shengold <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Am I late to the Fair?
> 
> Speaking of WSS's duet "A Boy like that", the melody of its vehement openin=
> g passage derives from PETER GRIMES' Sea Interlude entitled "Storm", and by=
> the way the one Britten called "Sunday Morning" derives from the BORIS GOD=
> UNOV chimes-- Rimsky version I'd say. Bernstein gave GRIMES its US premiere=
> in 1946.
> 
> The cycle goes on and on, and why not?
> --DLS
> -----------------------------
> 
> Date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sat, 31 Dec 2016 11:50:16 -0500
> From:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jon Goldberg <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Am I late to the Fair?
> 
> Likewise, it should be noted that the melody for "I Have A Love" actually=
> =3D
> appears earlier in=3D20
> the duet -=3D20
> 
> Anita sings it first -
> "(a boy who) kills cannot love"
> 
> Then repeated by Maria in the same way -=3D20
> "(it isn't) true, not for me"
> 
> 
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> Date:    Sat, 31 Dec 2016 19:33:33 +0000
> From:    Tom Wikman <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Salomea Kruscelnicka
> 
> I always heard that she was Ruthenian.
> =20
> 
>    On Saturday, December 31, 2016 7:15 AM, Maria Wolansky <maria.wolansky@=
> GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> =20
> 
> I have visited her grave in the beautiful Lychakiv cemetery in Lviv, Ukrai=
> ne which I would compare to P=C3=A8re Lachaise. She considered herself Ukra=
> inian. I know Galicia was considered part of Poland and Austrian Hungarian =
> Empire, however she was Ukrainian.=20
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:08 PM, william kasimer <[log in to unmask]> wrot=
> e:
>> =20
>> If anyone's interested, I believe that Marston is still offering her comp=
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> Date:    Sat, 31 Dec 2016 14:56:17 -0500
> From:    donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Fwd: Am I late to the Fair?
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Am I late to the Fair?
> To: Idia Legray <[log in to unmask]>
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> 
> Bernstein was a heavy "borrower". Another big tune from
> WSS is "There's A Place or Us" which is, note for note, a
> melody created by Richard Strauss for his Burleske For Piano
> and Orchestra.  It's difficult to sort out the resemblances that
> may have been deliberate and the ones that are coincidental.
> 
> 
> dtmk
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Idia Legray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Listening to the end of Gotterdammerung the other day, I suddenly
>> stopped "mid listen" to hear Leonard Bernstein's "I have a love and it's all
>> (that I need)..."
>> Is this a known thing by everyone but me till now?
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> Date:    Sat, 31 Dec 2016 15:14:40 -0500
> From:    Bob Rideout <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Salomea Kruscelnicka
> 
> According to various rather scholarly and detailed articles on
> Wikipedia, Ruthenia was, at one time, generally referenced=20
> as a large portion of Ukraine, and Ruthenians were considered
> to live in areas of today's Poland and even into Lithuania.=20
> There were so many changes of borders in Central and Eastern
> Europe that it is just about impossible to pin it down. What seems
> clear is that Lvov, where she was born and where she is buried,
> was within Poland at one time and is, today, definitely part of
> Ukraine. The last fact is indisputable!=20
> 
> Bob
> 
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 19:33:33 +0000, Tom Wikman <[log in to unmask]> wrot=
> e:
> 
>> I always heard that she was Ruthenian.
>> =20
>> 
>>   On Saturday, December 31, 2016 7:15 AM, Maria Wolansky=20
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> =20
>> 
>> I have visited her grave in the beautiful Lychakiv cemetery in Lviv, Uk=
> raine which I would=20
> compare to P=C3=A8re Lachaise. She considered herself Ukrainian. I know G=
> alicia was=20
> considered part of Poland and Austrian Hungarian Empire, however she was =
> Ukrainian.=20
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 11:08 PM, william kasimer <[log in to unmask]> w=
> rote:
>>> =20
>>> If anyone's interested, I believe that Marston is still offering her c=
> omplete recordings:
>>> =20
>>> http://www.marstonrecords.com/collections/singer/products/krushelnytsk=
> a
>>> =20
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> Date:    Sat, 31 Dec 2016 17:44:35 -0500
> From:    Dennis Ryan <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Am I late to the Fair?
> 
> Hi, Y'all!  
>    And here I thought that I was the only one, and  that if I ever said 
> anything folks would think I was silly.  
>    But then, I AM silly.  I cannot hear the  orchestral coda to "D'amor 
> sull'ali rosee" without starting in on "A Maiden Fair  to See" from "H.M.S. 
> Pinafore," with a rousing chorus of "When Darkly Looms the  Day" from 
> "Iolanthe."  
>    I justify all this by FIRMLY BELIEVING that I have  to be truly weird 
> in the first place to love opera.  
>    Best, 
>    Dennis Ryan 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 12/31/2016 8:05:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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> Listening to the end of Gotterdammerung the other day, I suddenly  
> stopped "mid listen" to hear Leonard Bernstein's "I have a love and it's  
> all 
> (that I need)..."
> Is this a known thing by everyone but me till  now?
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> Date:    Sat, 31 Dec 2016 17:51:32 -0500
> From:    Jon Goldberg <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Am I late to the Fair?
> 
> Not really note for note (Bernstein adds a moving scale note that Strauss=
> , I guess, forgot=20
> about, lol) and we're really talking about a similarity in just the *2nd =
> phrase* of each=20
> melody (the first phrase doesn't really match up at all, though I suppose=
> the aural illusion=20
> is that once you've heard that 2nd phrase you *think* you've just heard t=
> he whole=20
> beginning of the tune as well.) ;-)
> 
> However, there is no "big tune" called "There's A Place For Us." There IS=
> , of course a song=20
> called "Somewhere." (First sung, by the way, by one Reri Grist on Broadwa=
> y.)
> 
> Another theory for the origin of the "Somewhere" melody is that it's a fu=
> rther development=20
> of a recurring theme in Candide, which Bernstein had written just the yea=
> r before. (Listen=20
> to the orchestral intro to "Make Our Garden Grow" for one use of the them=
> e - the same=20
> contour of a wide interval up and then heading back down). Another is tha=
> t it's a sort of=20
> liberal "inversion" of the tritone theme that forms the sung name "Maria"=
> in the song of the=20
> same name - the upward reach of the 3rd syllable contrasting with the dow=
> nward reach of=20
> "place" in "Somewhere." Or hey, he could actually have had the Strauss me=
> lody in the=20
> back of his head. I'm not necessarily convinced it's an outright steal, b=
> ut it would be foolish=20
> to say that composers aren't influenced, consciously or subconsciously, b=
> y other music=20
> they know. Of course they are.=20
> 
> Speaking of Strauss - when Zerbinetta gets to the beginning of the Rondo =
> theme in=20
> "Grossmachtiger Prinzessin," is that a deliberate jab at "Ah, Non Giunge?=
> " ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 14:56:17 -0500, donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote=
> :
> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 9:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: Am I late to the Fair?
>> To: Idia Legray <[log in to unmask]>
>> 
>> 
>> Bernstein was a heavy "borrower". Another big tune from
>> WSS is "There's A Place or Us" which is, note for note, a
>> melody created by Richard Strauss for his Burleske For Piano
>> and Orchestra.  It's difficult to sort out the resemblances that
>> may have been deliberate and the ones that are coincidental.
>> 
>> 
>> dtmk
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Idia Legray <[log in to unmask]> wrot=
> e:
>>> Listening to the end of Gotterdammerung the other day, I suddenly
>>> stopped "mid listen" to hear Leonard Bernstein's "I have a love and it=
> 's all
>>> (that I need)..."
>>> Is this a known thing by everyone but me till now?
>>> 
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> Date:    Sat, 31 Dec 2016 19:12:52 -0500
> From:    E J Michel <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: ROMEO et JULIETTE on now SIRIUS and MET website
> 
> rom=C3=A9o et juliette
> This performance is being broadcast live on Metropolitan Opera Radio on
> SiriusXM channel 74 and streamed at metopera.org.
> 
> in order of vocal appearance
> conductor Gianandrea Noseda
> tybalt Diego Silva  DEBUT
> p=C3=A2ris David Crawford
> capulet Laurent Naouri
> juliette  Diana Damrau
> mercutio  Elliot Madore*
> rom=C3=A9o  Vittorio Grigolo
> gertrude  Diana Montague
> gr=C3=A9gorio  Jeongcheol Cha
> fr=C3=A8re laurent  Mikhail Petrenko
> st=C3=A9phano  Virginie Verrez**
> benvolio  Tony Stevenson*
> the duke of verona  Oren Gradus
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> E J Michel
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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