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Subject: Re: Why Hillary lost the election
From: Mike Hetsko <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Mike Hetsko <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Thu, 10 Nov 2016 23:48:10 -0500
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Let us not forget that in a mere four years, we can vote for someone else.  Damage, in the meantime. We'll see. But plenty of Presidents in the past have done plenty of it. Somehow, we, as a country, have survived even if some individuals have not. 
Electoral College-will never die.  There are too many small population states who will not allow it. You can thank the Founding Fathers for that. 
Robert Tuggle-i don't think anyone at the Met is capable of replacing his "liaison" function. That is really too bad. 

~Mike Hetsko
 
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> On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Olga Bourlin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> There are SO MANY issues ... and this is just another one of them (a big
> puzzler for me, but then in small increments over the decades I've pretty
> much lost my naivete). All that ranting about conservative white men more
> often than not neglects to mention the other side of the coin - i.e., that
> a majority of white women voted for Trump. White women gave their majority
> vote to McCain/Palin in 2008 and to Romney/Ryan in 2012, and I was hoping
> that in this election things would be different. Wrong.:
> 
> "More than half of white women voted for the man who bragged about
> committing sexual assault on tape, who said he would appoint Supreme Court
> justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade, who has promised to undo
> legislation that has afforded health insurance to millions of uninsured
> Americans, whose parental leave plan is a joke, who has spent his campaign
> dehumanizing nonwhite people, who has spent 30-plus years in the public eye
> reducing women to their sexual attributes. More than half of white women
> looked at the first viable female candidate for the presidency, a wildly
> competent and overqualified career public servant, and said, 'Trump that
> bitch.'”
> 
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/11/09/white_women_
> sold_out_the_sisterhood_and_the_world_by_voting_for_trump.html
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Max D. Winter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> As in any 12-step program, acknowledging that one has a problem, and
>> recognizing what
>> the problem really is, is the first step in recovery.
>> 
>> Blaming anyone other than the candidate for a loss is not only silly, it
>> is a type of denial.  It
>> is the candidate's responsibility - and ONLY the candidate's - to convince
>> enough people to
>> vote for him or her so that he or she can win.
>> 
>> Hillary Clinton lost the election because she was Hillary Clinton.  She
>> was a lousy candidate
>> with limited political skills and personal appeal and more ethical baggage
>> than any
>> Presidential candidate in living memory.  Being the poster child for the
>> elite political class,
>> she was the wrong candidate for a "change" election, which is why she did
>> so poorly against
>> a banal, uncharismatic, superannuated socialist like Bernie Sanders (the
>> only honest person
>> in this election cycle).
>> 
>> Re the popular vote v. the electoral count - I am glad that Clinton's
>> supporters have
>> something with which to console themselves, even if it is politically
>> irrelevant.  The United
>> States is not, and has never been, a democracy; it is a democratic
>> republic, which is quite a
>> different thing.
>> 
>> MDW
>> 
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