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Subject: Fwd: Why Hillary lost the election
From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:05:59 -0500
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Why Hillary lost the election
To: Mike Hetsko <[log in to unmask]>


It's the same old story: the losing party always wants to do away
with the Electoral College.  Don't the latest returns show Trump
ahead in the popular vote anyway?  But not by very much: that's the
problem with a popular vote; it may not reveal the true nature of the
issues involved.

dtmk

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Mike Hetsko <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Let us not forget that in a mere four years, we can vote for someone
> else.  Damage, in the meantime. We'll see. But plenty of Presidents in the
> past have done plenty of it. Somehow, we, as a country, have survived even
> if some individuals have not.
> Electoral College-will never die.  There are too many small population
> states who will not allow it. You can thank the Founding Fathers for that.
> Robert Tuggle-i don't think anyone at the Met is capable of replacing his
> "liaison" function. That is really too bad.
>
> ~Mike Hetsko
>
> (-spell check by IPhone-)
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Olga Bourlin <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > There are SO MANY issues ... and this is just another one of them (a big
> > puzzler for me, but then in small increments over the decades I've pretty
> > much lost my naivete). All that ranting about conservative white men more
> > often than not neglects to mention the other side of the coin - i.e.,
> that
> > a majority of white women voted for Trump. White women gave their
> majority
> > vote to McCain/Palin in 2008 and to Romney/Ryan in 2012, and I was hoping
> > that in this election things would be different. Wrong.:
> >
> > "More than half of white women voted for the man who bragged about
> > committing sexual assault on tape, who said he would appoint Supreme
> Court
> > justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade, who has promised to undo
> > legislation that has afforded health insurance to millions of uninsured
> > Americans, whose parental leave plan is a joke, who has spent his
> campaign
> > dehumanizing nonwhite people, who has spent 30-plus years in the public
> eye
> > reducing women to their sexual attributes. More than half of white women
> > looked at the first viable female candidate for the presidency, a wildly
> > competent and overqualified career public servant, and said, 'Trump that
> > bitch.'”
> >
> > http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/11/09/white_women_
> > sold_out_the_sisterhood_and_the_world_by_voting_for_trump.html
> >
> >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Max D. Winter <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> As in any 12-step program, acknowledging that one has a problem, and
> >> recognizing what
> >> the problem really is, is the first step in recovery.
> >>
> >> Blaming anyone other than the candidate for a loss is not only silly, it
> >> is a type of denial.  It
> >> is the candidate's responsibility - and ONLY the candidate's - to
> convince
> >> enough people to
> >> vote for him or her so that he or she can win.
> >>
> >> Hillary Clinton lost the election because she was Hillary Clinton.  She
> >> was a lousy candidate
> >> with limited political skills and personal appeal and more ethical
> baggage
> >> than any
> >> Presidential candidate in living memory.  Being the poster child for the
> >> elite political class,
> >> she was the wrong candidate for a "change" election, which is why she
> did
> >> so poorly against
> >> a banal, uncharismatic, superannuated socialist like Bernie Sanders (the
> >> only honest person
> >> in this election cycle).
> >>
> >> Re the popular vote v. the electoral count - I am glad that Clinton's
> >> supporters have
> >> something with which to console themselves, even if it is politically
> >> irrelevant.  The United
> >> States is not, and has never been, a democracy; it is a democratic
> >> republic, which is quite a
> >> different thing.
> >>
> >> MDW
> >>
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