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Subject: Re: The Don
From: donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:donald kane <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sun, 23 Oct 2016 19:58:48 -0400
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No, the real problem is as simple as I said it was - the lazy repetition
of  received wisdom:  you read it, you keep hearing it, and so you
assume that it is correct, but to call call a person "the" anything is
ignorant, patronising, and tasteless.

dtmk

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Jon Goldberg <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> "WRONG"???
>
> (So, maybe Mr. Kane is actually mr. trump, lol?)
>
>
> I suppose the real problem is the way many of us may sometimes anglicize
> the title, so
> that it sounds like the English "Don" as opposed to the rounder vowel of
> the Spanish/Italian
> word. (Or even further, so we wind up with Don Gee-o-va-nee as opposed to
> the proper
> Don Joe-van-nee, complete with the idiomatic slight lingering of the
> Italian double
> consonant on the "nn.")
>
> I mean, there are lots of operatic women seemingly named Donna too. Donna
> Anna, Donna
> Elvira...Donna Nonvidimai...;-)  (And exactly who are Violetta and Dame
> Quickly singing
> about when they mention "povera Donna?")
>
> And I guess Scarpia isn't only evil, but just not very good with names -
> after we clearly
> know that Tosca's lover is named "Mario, Mario, Mario," he goes and refers
> to him as
> "Louie."
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 15:03:27 -0400, donald kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >So the truth is out: there are those who actually think of "Don" as
> >a given first name attached to the assumed surname of Giovanni.
> >
> >WRONG!
> >
> >Maybe Da Ponte assigned him with a surname, I haven't looked it up; but I
> >do know that the character's first, or what used to be called Christian
> >name,
> >is Giovanni, and that Don was an inherited title raising him a level or so
> >above the common Signore.  No assortment of letters added can change the
> >titular Don into anything else.   I was hoping that the unpopularity which
> >frequently
> >seems, among those who post here, to surround the Republican candidate
> >for President, might initiate a phasing out of so inelegant a usage of
> >"the"   before a man's first name, and extend the procedure even to
> >Mozart's opera,
> >no matter how ingrained that cumbersome familiarity has become.  I wonder
> >who started it; perhaps it's good Italian, but to my ears, it has always
> >sounded dreadful in English.
> >
> >dtmk
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 6:11 PM, Idia Legray <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Saw "Don Giovanni" today in a sold out HD house with Keenlyside, who
> >> was superb.  Its running seemed so  appropriate and timely.  At times I
> >> felt
> >> like adding an "A-L-D" to his first name.  The two have much in common.
> >>
> >> The Donna Anna of Hibla Gerzmava was superb.  Likewise the Donna Elvira
> >> of  Malin Bystrom.  Sad that Villazon was not able to perform but in his
> >> place for Don Ottavio was a very able Paul Appleby who sang the hell out
> >> of "Il mio tesoro".
> >> In fact, the entire cast was on its mettle as well as Luisi in the Pit.
> >> One fine afternoon spent listening to beautiful Mozart sounds.
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