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Subject: Re: Bonynge Interview about Pavarotti
From: Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Paul Ricchi <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sat, 1 Oct 2016 07:02:11 -0400
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"How much you payin’ the fat boy?" Are you sure she dropped the "g"?

On Saturday, October 1, 2016, Maxwell Paley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Les, a little more context is called for around the Leontyne Price comment.
>
> She did say something like this.  It was in San Francisco in Autumn of
> 1981.
>
> SF Opera had mounted a big hoopla around a production of “Aida” in which
> Pavarotti was doing his first staged Rhadames.  Aida was Margaret Price and
> Amneris was Stefani Toczyska, Simon Estes as Amonasro and Navarro
> conducting.  A huge amount of the attention was around Pavarotti.
>
> Margaret Price developed a bad case of bronchitis during the run. Company
> GM Kurt Herbert Adler was searching for a reasonable cover and thought of
> Leontyne Price, who was in town at that time doing “Trovatore” with
> Bonisolli.  Even though Leontyne Price later famously did her Met farewell
> as Aida, at that time in 1981 she had actually quasi “retired” the role and
> not sung it for several years.
>
> Adler begged her (it was very special to him, as it was his last season as
> GMD) and, after some reluctance, she started to let herself be persuaded.
> When it came to fee discussions, she asked Adler “How much you payin’ the
> fat boy?  I want one dollar more.”  Aida found its way back into her throat
> even more easily than she thought and it led her to take up more
> performances, including another run in SF for which she was the planned
> Aida a few years later and the famous Met farewell.
>
> Sergio’s comment has validity.  Sure, it’s gross to see someone vastly
> overweight.  But it’s not like sheer greed and gluttony do that.  Many
> people eat as much as they feel like and eat whatever they feel like and
> never get grossly fat like that.  And, yes, there are known ties between
> obesity and the problems you mention of diabetes, heart disease, but
> actually the causal connection to cancer, particularly liver or pancreatic
> cancer, is still very mysterious to the medical community.  Many very fit
> and healthy people get it and die from it and many very heavy people who
> never exercise don’t.
>
> I worked with Steve Jobs (not directly, but close enough to be around him
> a lot) and he was not only vegetarian, macrobiotic, etc. but he had an
> absolute horror of any kind of fat.  He was always extremely slender, but
> he developed pancreatic cancer that then spread to his liver.
>
> So saying Pavarotti and Johan Botha ate and drank themselves to death by
> liver or pancreatic cancer is passing a judgement about something nobody
> actually knows about.
>
> Max Paley
>
> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Les Mitnick <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > I have no intention of getting into a pissing match over this. Everyone
> knows about the dangers of carrying around an extra 150 to 200 pounds. It
> increases the odds for diabetes, heart disease, stomach and colon cancers,
> as well as a plethora of other problems. It's also causes blood pressure to
> rise to dangerous levels. You don't have to be a doctor to know that a man
> who's 200 pounds overweight and eats like a god-damned horse is a walking
> time bomb waiting to explode.
> > This is not a matter of body shaming. It's a matter of life and death.
> Any intelligent human being knows this. Yes, Pavarotti had a great career,
> but it could have been a far greater and monumental career. He never
> achieved the artistic potential that his magnificent voice warranted.
> > When Leontyne Price was asked to sing with Pavarotti, she accepted, but
> she said, "provided I get paid more than the fat man"
> > 'Nuff said...........case closed.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Sergio da Silva" <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>>
> > To: "Les Mitnick" <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>>
> > Cc: "OPERA-L" <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 6:01:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: Bonynge Interview about Pavarotti
> >
> > I know you have a friend who is a doctor but can you provide any medical
> journal that proves your theory of obesity to cause pancreatic cancer. And
> why this obsession in denigrating obese singers?
> > While Pavarotti was at t he top of his game he overshadowed his
> competition and had quite a long career.
> >
> > On Friday, September 30, 2016, Les Mitnick < [log in to unmask]
> <javascript:;> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
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