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Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
From: Donald Levine <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:02:09 -0500
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Don't think Jesus celebrated Hanukah.  Weren't the Macabees about a  
century later?  Perhaps someone on the list will inform us.
 
Don
 
 
In a message dated 12/21/2011 12:55:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[log in to unmask] writes:

To  answer both:

Christmas is not the only holiday celebrated this time of  year.  I'm quite 
confident Jesus celebrated Hanukkah.

and yes,  not only in other cultures are there personages of more 
importance 
of  Jesus and, indeed, many of the tenets of virtuous living predated Jesus 
 
including "love thy neighbor as thyself." I will concede that Paul, who  
never heard Jesus, was the greatest PR man  ever...

John

-----Original Message----- 
From: Lloyd William  Hanson
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:10 PM
To:  [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

To invoke  "Time," that great American sage of magazines, Christ was quoted 
as asking  "who do people say that I am?"

All religion aside, has there ever  existed any person in Western history, 
mythological or real, who has been  at the center of more intensly moral 
and 
social concepts of importance  than Jesus, the Anointed (anointed is the 
meaning of the word "Christ")  .

I wonder at our present understanding of Western history that chooses  to 
ignore or downplay the basic fabric that has for millenniums defined  our 
very nature as a people.

Christ is not by any means the only  influence that has created our culture 
but his teachings have, arguably ,  been at the core of its development as 
we 
now know it.

There must  be a  time to engage in dialogue about his teachings and how 
they  
have become mantras for the most horrible, destructible actions in his  
name. 
The "love they neighbor as thy self" is not an acceptable way of  life for 
humans who are more likely to accept the inward forces of "them  against 
us".

Must it be this way?

Lloyd W. Hanson

On Dec  20, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Donald Kane wrote:

> The man for whom  Christmas is named was, as is
> commonly agreed, a  *good  guy*;  what's wrong with
> leaving his title attached to the  day?   When we observe
> the birthday of Martin Luther King,  for example, are
> we supposed to pretend that it is not a holiday  in
> his honor?   Innapropriately, we move it to the  nearest
> Monday to create a long weekend; should that happen to
>  Christmas someday too?
>
> Personally, I have never found myself  in the mood to
> "celebrate" at this most dismal time of the year.   But
> the undeniable impact of JC and his followers and their
>  influence on the nature and extent of Western civilization
> justify the  annual observance with all of its deplorable
> excesses.  History  shows that some excuse would be invented
> for the excesses in any  case.
>
> Happy [winter] solstice,
>
> Donald  Kane
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  Discussion of opera and related issues
>  [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Daniel
> Tritter
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:16 PM
> To:  [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Merry  Christmas
>
>
> mr. kane, it may  shock you to learn  that some do
> not celebrate christmas, even some who  nevertheless
> profess christianity. your admonishment is wholly
>  tone deaf to a lady whose good wishes are expressed
> as she intended  and needed no editing.
>
> best wishes of the season.
> dan  tritter
> (who heard campora (remember him?) at the
> met and la  scala)
>
> ===================
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at  4:02 PM, Donald Kane
> <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  Discussion of opera and related issues
>>  [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ariane
>>  Csonka
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:16 PM
>> To:  [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Giuseppe  Campora
>>
>> <<<
>> Merry Christmas to  all who celebrate ->>>
>>
>>  Ariane
>>
>> I wish you could say "Merry Christmas to all"  instead   No
>> matter what one believes, it is Christmas  time everywhere
>> and the word merry signifies nothing but good  will, so
>> wouldn't it be more appropriate to wish that all of  us
> enjoy
>> it in some way?
>>
>> Donald  Kane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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