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Subject: Re: Gramophone's ranking of the top 20 orchestras
From: Michael Pratt <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Michael Pratt <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:24:27 -0500
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Your description of "sour grapes" is completely on the mark.> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:09:34 -0800> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Gramophone's ranking of the top 20 orchestras> To: [log in to unmask]> > Let me spell it out for you, Cadenhead. My "band" is indeed on the list, so your insinuation of sour grapes is off the mark and a moronic attempt at attacking me. I maintain, however, that the list is extremely subjective and based off of what kind of criteria? On any day any "band" (as you put it) on this list or any other "best of" list can sound "better" than their respective ranking. A prominent member of the Chicago Symphony (not my "band", for the record) once told me that the Minnesota Orchestra (not my "band" either, for the record) on a good day can outplay most of the American orchestras on this list. Does that rank them better for the  year or for the moment? What if there were guest musicians for a given run of, say Sacre du Printemps (that's "The Rite of Spring", Cadenhead) that elicited a superior performance from the "band"? Would that make them better for the performance or for the year? What if the "band" in question had a guest> conducter who transformed the "band" and made them play like never before...would their capacity to play better with the guest conducter qualify them as a better "band" than a lower ranked "band"? How often are the "bands" judged, who does the judging, and what are their qualifications to judge?>  > While you're at it, why don't you rank best opera, best opera company, best German/Italian/French composer, etc, ad nauseam? Just do us a favor and don't rank best tenor, ok?> > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Frank Cadenhead <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > From: Frank Cadenhead <[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: Gramophone's ranking of the top 20 orchestras> To: [log in to unmask]> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 5:34 PM> > > Let me get this straight. This list is so simply because you say so? Your> favorite orchestra not on it? It is a list of what musicians and conductors> around the Western world know to be leaders (give or take a few). I have> listened to most of these orchestras in the past few years and they are, at> least when they are in Paris, truly dazzling. These orchestras are on the wish> list of any of the top music school graduates. And note that many of them on the> list have a recent history with long term conductors. The rise of the San> Francisco symphony is no doubt a result of their now long term association with> Tilson Thomas and the LSO just finished a love affair with the great Colin> Davis, Chicago with Solti and Barenboim and LA with Salonen. The best thing that> ever happened to the Met orchestra was the choice of Jimmy to spend time with> them. > > And, to my old friend Jim whose spam software blocks my private replys, I'm> also a lyric tenor.> > Frank Cadenhead> Paris> > **********************************************> OPERA-L official website: http://www.OPERA-L.org> OPERA-L on Facebook:> http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25703098721&REF=mf> --------------------------------------------------------------------------> To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to [log in to unmask]> containing only the words: SIGNOFF OPERA-L> --------------------------------------------------------------------------> To stay subscribed but TURN OFF mail, send a message to> [log in to unmask] containing only the words: SET OPERA-L NOMAIL> --------------------------------------------------------------------------> Modify your settings: http://listserv.bccls.org/archives/opera-l.html> --------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > > **********************************************> OPERA-L official website: http://www.OPERA-L.org> OPERA-L on Facebook:> http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25703098721&REF=mf> --------------------------------------------------------------------------> To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message to [log in to unmask]> containing only the words: SIGNOFF OPERA-L> --------------------------------------------------------------------------> To stay subscribed but TURN OFF mail, send a message to> [log in to unmask] containing only the words: SET OPERA-L NOMAIL> --------------------------------------------------------------------------> Modify your settings: http://listserv.bccls.org/archives/opera-l.html> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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